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TheDeathValley
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SIAP... Orgeron is following the Swinney Method
I will start by saying, Orgeron is only following the Swinney Method, not on his level yet*.

Swinney was a career position coach that fell into an interim head coach job. He had a rocky start, went out and got Brent Venables, had Chad Morris and went with Scott/Elliott in split duties. Recruited hard, tried different styles, and is competing at an elite level.

Orgeron was a career position coach that fell into an interim head coach job. Had a decent start at LSU, immediately went out and got a new OC (A guy that ran a completely different offense than LSU was custom to) and then went out and got Joe Brady.

I feel that CEO is more "hands off" the play calling duties now, and is more aligned with focus and getting the most from the team.

If Orgeron can sustain, LSU has high heights. I never thought CEO would be the guy to bring LSU back to national prominence, but after Texas, LSU is the media darling.


LSUNV
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re: SIAP... Orgeron is following the Swinney Method
Interesting


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BlackHelicopterPilot
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re: SIAP... Orgeron is following the Swinney Method
I like it


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mtntiger
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re: SIAP... Orgeron is following the Swinney Method
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after Texas, LSU is the media darling.


For the moment, at least.

We go through this every season. Someone else will come along to capture the media's attention in the next few weeks.

Clemson wasn't the media darling it is now until a couple of years ago when it won its first title under Dabo. The reason he remains there is consistency (aided by a pathetically easy conference).

The little midget to the East is a media darling because he has been dominant in a league that is head and shoulders above all others. It certainly isn't because he's such a swell guy.

Hopefully, O can get the team over the Gump hump this season and keep the momentum going past this season. With the recruits coming in, it seems he'll have the talent to do it.


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Lester Earl
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re: SIAP... Orgeron is following the Swinney Method
Actually look no further than Les Miles. He was an idiot that just recruited well. That is why I have always thought O could be successful with a similar blue print. Minus the hard headedness & poor on field decision making.

That LA talent though. It’s not rocket science. It’s really not.


TheDeathValley
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re: SIAP... Orgeron is following the Swinney Method
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He was an idiot that just recruited well. That is why I have always thought O could be successful with a similar blue print. Minus the hard headedness & poor on field decision making.


I think CEO has proven twice now (Canada and Brady) that he is willing to get out of his comfort zone and get what he needs to work.


Lester Earl
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re: SIAP... Orgeron is following the Swinney Method
Oh yea, absolutely

Like Miles, he is super prideful. Only difference is, O is “win-at-all-costs” prideful.

He isn’t ego maniacal prideful like Miles was. Too prideful to ask for help and let smarter people masks his weaknesses


Todd O'Connor
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re: SIAP... Orgeron is following the Swinney Method
I think there is a difference between a 39 year old "career" position coach and a 55 year old "career" position coach.

I think going forward we hopefully see O operate like Dabo.

But I also think O started with a much better foundation. I think he can do well here, but IDK if i would hire him to rebuild a program like Clemson.


sanora
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re: SIAP... Orgeron is following the Swinney Method
O is win at all costs but he's also still seeking redemption for that colossal disaster in his first stop that he doesn't want to repeat.

There's a lot to be said about the fire you gain by failing miserably. and he definitely failed miserably at ole miss. but it seems to have been critical to his growth as a coach, as is often the case.


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Lsupimp
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re: SIAP... Orgeron is following the Swinney Method
Two main non- football things he is selling . Fun ( the anti- Alabama). Family ( we will take care of your boy, mama). I think the Dabo similarities are obvious. You don’t have to hate your life to win championships.


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Alt26
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re: SIAP... Orgeron is following the Swinney Method
O fell into a MUCH better situation than Swinney. In fact, he kept Miles' defensive staff (Raymond, Aranda, himself). Also, it's not like LSU's recruiting was in the dumps when O got the permanent job. Miles' final 3 classes were ranked #2, #5, and #2, respectively. The recruiting arguably got slightly worse under O before this class.

O sold everyone on the dream that he was bringing Kiffin in. Once that fell through, he was forced to bring in a big name OC to save his arse for whiffing on Kiffin. That blew up immediately and he went back to a guy who no one wanted as OC simply because it was comfortable. Only after 2 years of stubbornness did he go out and find a fresh mind to revitalize the offense. And that ONLY happened because Ensminger readily welcomed someone coming in and sharing the OC load and had no ego whatsoever in allowing someone to basically usurp his position. Very few veteran OC's would happily relinquish some of their power to a guy who for all intents and purposes is there to eventually take his job.

Certainly I'm happy for O and the program appears to be headed in the right direction, but let's not act like this is the result of a three year master plan to build from scratch. He inherited a really, really good program already in tact and after two swings and misses at the OC position seems to have hit on the third try.


deathvalleytiger10
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re: SIAP... Orgeron is following the Swinney Method
The combination of Burrow and Brady have made all of this come together.

The credit for that goes to Orgeron.


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ThePaleHorse
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re: SIAP... Orgeron is following the Swinney Method
Exactly, so kudos to Coach O for making those decisions and getting the program back to an exciting level. Well said my friend.


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Lester Earl
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re: SIAP... Orgeron is following the Swinney Method
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but let's not act like this is the result of a three year master plan to build from scratch


Roster wasn’t depleted by any means, but it was constructed poorly. There were a lot of holes... it was more like an A&M-caliber roster under Sumlin than it was a glory day LSU roster. No QB, no WRs, OL was poor, and you would have thought they were still recruiting LBs for a 4-3. The LB talent overall is night & day


Dlab2013
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re: SIAP... Orgeron is following the Swinney Method
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and after two swings and misses at the OC position seems to have hit on the third try.


Ensminger is still the OC, won 10 games last year. I wouldn’t call E a swing and a miss.


Alt26
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re: SIAP... Orgeron is following the Swinney Method
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Ensminger is still the OC, won 10 games last year. I wouldn’t call E a swing and a miss.


That determination is relative to expectations. Miles' last full season (2015) he finished 9-3 (with the McNeese game being cancelled). E has still yet to call a game where his offense scored a single point vs. Alabama.

As a general matter Ensminger hasn't done a bad job. But that is not the standard by which to judge him. The standard is improvement from the Miles era. Remember, Miles wasn't fired because the program had collapsed. He was fired because the program had plateaued at very good, but not great. While there is reason to be very optimistic at this point in the season, the program is still stuck at very good.

Ensminger may be the OC in title, but I think it's clear who is actually designing and implementing the offense. Otherwise, the offense would look EXACTLY as it did in 2016 and 2018. And Ensminger deserves A LOT of credit for setting aside any ego he may have for the good of the team/program. Even though Steve is technically the OC, ALL of the credit is being give to Brady both locally and nationally, and Steve doesn't appears to have any issue with that whatsoever.


genuineLSUtiger
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re: SIAP... Orgeron is following the Swinney Method
Miles was stubborn but he is not an idiot. Now Curley Hallman was an idiot


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Korkstand
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re: SIAP... Orgeron is following the Swinney Method
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after two swings and misses at the OC position seems to have hit on the third try.
If something doesn't work, you scrap it and try something else. Can't ask for much more than that.


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SportTiger1
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re: SIAP... Orgeron is following the Swinney Method
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and you would have thought they were still recruiting LBs for a 4-3. The LB talent overall is night & day


who is 'they' in this scenario?


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Buckeye Jeaux
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re: SIAP... Orgeron is following the Swinney Method
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I think there is a difference between a 39 year old "career" position coach and a 55 year old "career" position coach.
Saban was 52 when he won his first Natty. 58 years old when he won his second Natty.


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