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re: Should a 5th Year Senior QB Be Handled With Kid Gloves
Posted on 11/16/11 at 3:37 pm to Rudy40
Posted on 11/16/11 at 3:37 pm to Rudy40
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So would it bother you if Derrick Bryant was cheered louder than Lee or Jefferson?
I didn't really raise that original point. I don't really care that much about cheering.
But I think the point is not just that Jarrett Lee is getting cheered more loudly, it's the rationale behind why a lot of people cheer him more loudly. To me there's 3 components to it:
1) Racial - like it or not, it is an issue.
2) JJ haters - this is the majority of the reason, because people just don't like him and that even pre-dates the bar incident... TigerLee just insinuated he's a "whiny bitch" and other such labels are constantly thrown on him... all from people who don't know him from Adam, but see him make a face on tv and automatically discern he's a shitty leader.
3) People who just genuinely appreciate Lee. This should be everyone.
I think the issue is that the cheering gets ratcheted up not because Jarrett Lee has a great story, but because by cheering louder for Lee, they are simultaneously expressing their feelings for JJ (as someone explained earlier how a mostly quiet fan gave a gigantic ovation with Lee came into the game).
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Posted on 11/16/11 at 3:38 pm to TIGRLEE
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If I end up going into the game, he will get it from me.
Scouts honor.
You will be cheering as loud as you can b/c you know he won't be here next year
Posted on 11/16/11 at 3:39 pm to OBUDan
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, but because by cheering louder for Lee, they are simultaneously expressing their feelings for JJ
Jesus, you people have jumped the fricking shark.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 3:42 pm to Antonio Moss
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Literally, every single statistic points to the removal of Gary Crowton as the primary factor in our increased offensive efficiency.
It shows that the JL supporters do not understand football or they refuse to admit they agree because it may be perceived as being critical of JL somehow.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 3:42 pm to Icansee4miles
quote:frickin ehh!!
What a bunch of dumbarses. This season can't end soon enough. I can't wait to see what next year's episode of Family Feud will be based on.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 3:43 pm to ScoopAndScore
First off LM is/was the OC
The diff between this year and last year is 50% exectuion (which is qb)
50% no crowton influence..
We dont have the same "scheme" as last year becasue the starter for 9 games isnt the same type "schemy" qb as last year.
We still run the ball with Ware, Blue and ford the way we did with Ridley last year.
We can argue it all day but IMO the biggest difference is efficient qb play.
The diff between this year and last year is 50% exectuion (which is qb)
50% no crowton influence..
We dont have the same "scheme" as last year becasue the starter for 9 games isnt the same type "schemy" qb as last year.
We still run the ball with Ware, Blue and ford the way we did with Ridley last year.
We can argue it all day but IMO the biggest difference is efficient qb play.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 3:44 pm to CptBengal
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CptBengal
Go back to your hole. This has been a good discussion without you. Board is better without you.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 3:45 pm to Topwater Trout
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You will be cheering as loud as you can b/c you know he won't be here next year
Ive been saying this for a year now.
I appreciate JJ, but Im not going to miss JJ.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 3:46 pm to TIGRLEE
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We still run the ball with Ware, Blue and ford the way we did with Ridley last year.
We actually don't.. at all.
We did a ton of zone blocking with Ridley, and let him take cutback lanes, etc. It was his strength as a runner.
Ware does a lot more classic N/S power ISO type of plays.
It's not exactly the same. The offense is quite a bit different at a nuts and bolts level.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 3:47 pm to OBUDan
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TigerLee just insinuated he's a "whiny bitch" and other such labels are constantly thrown on him
No I didnt.
I know what I said, and I know where you got this from but thats not what I meant.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 3:48 pm to Antonio Moss
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You just don't get it. This whole discussion has very, very little to do with Lee, himself.
The history of the quarterback demographic here at LSU over the past decade, maybe two decades leads me to believe this has very little to do with race, if that is what you are implying. The fans adored Herb Tyler, Rohan Davey, Matt Mauck, Jamarcus Russell, and Matt Flynn that I can remember. Likewise, the fans seemed to be impatient or dislike Josh Booty, Marcus Randall, Jarrett Lee and Jordan Jefferson up until now.
There's such a plethora of observations that point out that this is really a J.Lee (his story, his public persona, and his PERFORMANCE) versus JJ (same criteria) that making statements to the contrary without some backing seems rather ignorant.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 3:48 pm to BeeFense5
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The "lee stayed on the team and now he is a martyr and deserves playing time" crowd is fueling the backlash.
The thing I've never understood about the whole "Lee is a martyr" thing is that... well, he put himself there. He wasn't unfairly victimized. He played bad, so he got benched. End of story.
That'd be like feeling bad for JJ losing his starting job because of the bar incident. JJ put himself in that position. He made a mistake, so he lost his job. End of story.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 3:50 pm to OBUDan
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OBUDan
lulz...you actually think cheering for Lee means they hate JJ.
That may be the single most assanine statement I have ever read on this or ANY message board.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 3:51 pm to geauxgeebs
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his story, his public persona
The problem you get into here is that public persona and feel good stories should not determine playtime. It also shouldn't lead to full fledged meltdowns like we have witnessed after last week's game.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 3:51 pm to CptBengal
The OT called and they'd like you to get back over there to posting about Welfare.
We're trying to talk about LSU football. Later.
We're trying to talk about LSU football. Later.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 3:52 pm to OBUDan
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That'd be like feeling bad for JJ losing his starting job because of the bar incident. JJ put himself in that position. He made a mistake, so he lost his job. End of story.
I think the argument is that Lee has outplayed JJ and still not "won" the starting job. Not that Lee "deserves" it from some emotional standpoint. I also think that some people view Les Mile's public statements regarding the position pretty biased in terms of praising qbs after good performances, etc.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 3:53 pm to TIGRLEE
The diff between this year and last year is 50% exectuion (which is qb)
50% no crowton influence..
We dont have the same "scheme" as last year becasue the starter for 9 games isnt the same type "schemy" qb as last year.
We have an identity this year as opposed to the last few years and it doesn't matter which QB is playing. We simplified formations and shifts which is why the offense looks more efficient. The players(wr's, rb's, and te's) don't look lost. The ones who really know football have been begging for us to simplify the formations...I think we were right.
I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with is the mumbling and grumbling when JJ comes in by the JL fans. The JJ fans do not give JL the same treatment.
50% no crowton influence..
We dont have the same "scheme" as last year becasue the starter for 9 games isnt the same type "schemy" qb as last year.
We have an identity this year as opposed to the last few years and it doesn't matter which QB is playing. We simplified formations and shifts which is why the offense looks more efficient. The players(wr's, rb's, and te's) don't look lost. The ones who really know football have been begging for us to simplify the formations...I think we were right.
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Ive been saying this for a year now.
I appreciate JJ, but Im not going to miss JJ.
I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with is the mumbling and grumbling when JJ comes in by the JL fans. The JJ fans do not give JL the same treatment.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 3:53 pm to OBUDan
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We did a ton of zone blocking with Ridley, and let him take cutback lanes, etc. It was his strength as a runner.
So we changed our blocking scheme because it behooved the current back? Right???
Not the offensive shceme?
We adapted and adjusted based on the personell in the game at that time.
JL's "scheme" and JJ's "shceme" arent the same.
As I said qb effeiencey is the thing that sticks out most.
An efficient qb generally leads to an efficient offense.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 3:53 pm to OBUDan
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OBUDan
you actually wrote this....
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because by cheering louder for Lee, they are simultaneously expressing their feelings for JJ
read it again. You think that statement is "reasonable"?
Posted on 11/16/11 at 3:55 pm to CptBengal
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That may be the single most assanine statement I have ever read on this or ANY message board.
Well that helps to explain your posts. Try reading them before hitting the submit button.
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