re: Should a 5th Year Senior QB Be Handled With Kid Gloves

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Do you not see Lee turn and bail out after every throw?

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Actually no-I'm not sure what you are watching. A couple of throws under pressure from Alabama's hosses does not equal every throw.

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Do you not agree that Lee puts the ball where it needs to be when he has a clean pocket?

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We can agree on this. Can you say the same for the other QB?

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Do you not think Jefferson looks much better back there than he has at any point in his career prior to this year?

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He is clearly more effective running the option (runner). As a QB, I see him still stuck on one receiver, unable to pull the trigger on open receivers and ducking and running if his primary guy isn't wide arse open. I also still see an offense that stumbles and gets penalties with him at the wheel versus a crisp, effecient offense we saw at the beginning of the season when the reps weren't being split.

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JL has always and still does bail out after every throw. Almost like he's scared to be hit.

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Can you provide evidence of this? This seems to be an oft-repeated mantra of JL haters (along with "he looks SCARED!").

In this LSU v. Miss St highlight clip, there are 7 or 8 JL passes shown and I don't see any "bailing out". At 3:08 is a perfect shot of what looks like Lee delivering, taking a hit and never taking his eyes off the receiver. I;m not saying it never happens, but I doubt it's this "syndrome" you people make it out to be.

Why does it matter what Lee does after every throw anyway? Am I missing something?? Isn't the quality of the throw the most important thing, not what a QB does after the throw?

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JJ, by contrast, stands tall, finishes his throws and can run when it all breaks down. He just looks better back there than he ever has.

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This is purely subjective. A JJ hater says "He looks confused". IMO JJ has looked much improved. At times. Then you get that safety call last game that was heinously misplayed ("You're standing in the END ZONE, JJ, take note!").

So you could say that despite limited play, JJ has given the opposing teams more points (2) than Lee (0). Just sayin.


ETA: LSU WVU Several Lee throws under pressure, not one instance of "bailing out" observed.

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So you could say that despite limited play, JJ has given the opposing teams more points (2) than Lee (0). Just sayin.

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Only if you don't count the FG Alabama got off of Lee's second interception.

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So you could say that despite limited play, JJ has given the opposing teams more points (2) than Lee (0). Just sayin.

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Why is this safety such a big deal?

Do we really want to count how many points each QB has gift wrapped for opposing defenses over their career?

ETA: I still say had that been JL getting sacked for the safety the non call of the blow to the head would have been brought up over and over but since it was JJ it is a non issue.

More importantly why didn't Wing punt after the safety? I haven't seen that mentioned once.

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There were about 2-3 different things he could have done differently (i.e., better) to avoid that result.

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You have to read the safety. It was a single route play. If the safety plays back (stays out the box), the you check out of the play.

Once the ball was snapped, no one was going to be open. I guess at that point he could have just tossed out of bounds instead of waiting to see if the safety cheated up, but the primary mistake was running the play from the get go.

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Only if you don't count the FG Alabama got off of Lee's second interception.

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I'm talking about direct points (pick six, fumble for TD, safety). If we get into end result, there's a million ways to spin it either way (although that examples is pretty clear cut).

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I'm talking about direct points (pick six, fumble for TD, safety). If we get into end result, there's a million ways to spin it either way (although that examples is pretty clear cut).

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Right. You can't really take the blame off of Lee for that FG unless you blame the defense for not getting a turnover in 3 downs.

After that INT, Alabama ran three plays, gained six yards and kicked the FG.

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I dont believe it is unreasonable for fans to question the choice in qb's especially when the most recent season long performances are so completely different. JJ who took the overwhelming majority of snaps in 2010 had a horrible efficiency rating and I think any objective person would say for the entire season did a poor job of qb'ing.

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I agree...but I think questioning is different than absolutely losing their fricking minds.

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Lee had a few good games and a few not so good but his playing time was very limited especially when you weigh how poorly JJ played.
This year with Lee starting he has played very well overall though with some hiccups but I dont see how you could look at 2010 JJ or 2011 Lee and rationally argue that it is even close.

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I wouldn't...but then we're not utilizing 2010 JJ, we're utilizing 2011 JJ. Both QB's are better than they've ever been.

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Sure the offense has changed and the O/C but the biggest difference is at qb.

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I disagree and have been clear about this. I think the biggest reason for the lack of futility on offense is the change in OC. Not because Krags and Stud are doing something phenomenal...but because they are simply on the same basic page as Miles. There just isn't the confusion REGARDLESS of who is in when we're on offense now. Look at something as simple as when the QB gets the play in from the sidelines...it's night and day different. Our offense is FAR simpler this year, utilizing a power run game with a sprinkling of play action pass. It looks nothing like it did in 2010. I just think continuing to compare EITHER guy to their past selevs given the whole sale changes to the offense does a disservice to both guys.

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Yet in 2010 when JJ was playing his worst he was never benched and that was a 7 game stretch. Lee had one poor game and was benched so does that strike you as logical or consistent?

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This brings up that illusive "fairness" issue which I can't take seriously anymore. I can see why this would matter if it was your kid or significant other, but I can't for the life of me figure out why grown arse men seem to care about this. Does this fairness issue bother you in regards to other positions so much so that it becomes a season long debate? I don't think it does.

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As for disagreeing with coaches a prime example was 2000 when Rohan was injured in the Florida and was kept on the bench well after he was healthy and missed several games completely until the 2nd half of the Peach Bowl. Many people I know were screaming for Saban to put Rohan back in especially during the Arky game when Booty threw 14 straight incompletions. Were we wrong to question Saban is that not allowed?

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You'll be hard pressed to find a bigger Rohan fan than myself, but given that Booty ended up being the 1st Team All SEC QB in 2000 it's hard to argue with what Little Napoleon did there. Had Ro not busted his knee up playing ball in the offseason he likely would have taken the job from Booty in fall camp and it wouldn't have been an issue. And as much as I loved Ro, I never pined for his lost PT.

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As for booing on Senior day I have never and will never boo an LSU player.

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Glad to hear that!

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However

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Uh-oh...

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in LSU history there have been fan favorites and players who were not as loved and received less louder cheering.

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Of course...see guys like Tyrann Mathieu this year that get the lion's share of applause.

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I think JJ's performance last year and his statements last year and this year "I played well" "I put the team on my back" "Overall my performance has been fine" when it is obvious those statements arent based in reality combine to make him much less likeable.

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To some who feel as though he needed to flog himself to off set him playing instead of Lee. I'm not in that camp. I never felt he owed my a pound of flesh for not having a great individual game and LSU still winning games.

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I hope he will not be booed but I do expect his greeting to be much less enthusiastic by the fans. Over the years I have seen senior special team players greeted more warmly than some senior starters. Mainly due to their "likeableness" and the way they were viewed by the fans, this is no different.

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My only issue with this senior day thing is that when Lee is cheered more loudly, it will undoubtedly come off like it did when he entered the game in the fourth quarter on Saturday. Not JUST as a positive cheer for a fan favorite, but as a loud and clear frick YOU to both Miles and especially another LSU player. I had several guys that acted this way near me...the loudest noise they made the WHOLE GAME was the frantically cheer Lee when he came and they made it clear as to why. That's all...

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Based on this year they BOTH look better than they ever had. For anyone to believe that it all of a sudden clicked for them in their senior year is just naive. New QB coach, better o-line, dominant running game, and an offensive identity are the real reasons BOTH QB's are better.

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QB Ratings 2010
Jarrett Lee: 119.9
Jordan Jefferson: 114.7
Danny O'Brien: 134.5


QB Ratings 2011
Jarrett Lee: 151.5
Jordan Jefferson: 176.4
Danny O'Brien: 109.6