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re: Should a 5th Year Senior QB Be Handled With Kid Gloves
Posted on 11/16/11 at 10:00 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 11/16/11 at 10:00 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:So you're saying that no one COULD have said it?
I have no doubt there are people who want the other QB to fail, but no one wants LSU to lose.
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Posted on 11/16/11 at 10:02 am to just me
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I have no doubt there are people who want the other QB to fail, but no one wants LSU to lose.
So you're saying that no one COULD have said it?
There are people stupid enough to do it. Yes. Odds are slim.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 10:03 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You will never convince those folks to look at what has happened this year with both.
Agree. Looking at both QBs on the field this year leads me to believe the coaches have more confidence in JJ, and rightfully so IMO.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 10:03 am to ScoopAndScore
quote:To be fair, it's 21.2 attempts. Lee has taken very good care of the ball, prior to Gumps.
To be fair, the system and some good fortune have heavily contributed to this. When you only throw about 10 passes per game, mathematics tells me you will throw fewer INTs.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 10:05 am to ScoopAndScore
quote:That same logic would also apply to JJ and his lack of INTs.
To be fair, the system and some good fortune have heavily contributed to this. When you only throw about 10 passes per game, mathematics tells me you will throw fewer INTs.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 10:06 am to just me
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So you're saying that no one COULD have said it?
Yes...I was called a liar.
The thing is, I just don't make shite up to post on a message board. I don;t care nearly enough to do stupid crap like that... I also don;t use alters. I've had essentially the same username since I first signed up for an LSU message board back in 2000 on Tiger Roar. People that knew me then likely still know my real name as I was very open about it...not that I'm important or anything. I just mean that I never did care for the anonymity of the internet all that much.
The guy said it. It was one of maybe a dozen retardedly stupid things I heard at the game and after regarding the QB's.
I try and be intellectually honest when discussing things on here, regardless of which forum it is. You may not agree with my point of view, but I don't make things up to bolster my argument. Never seen a point ion doing so...
Posted on 11/16/11 at 10:07 am to ScoopAndScore
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Agree. Looking at both QBs on the field this year leads me to believe the coaches have more confidence in JJ, and rightfully so IMO.
Huh? I don't see that at all. I saw it in the Bama game. Outside of that, I would say you are constructing something that may not exist.
These are two situational QB's, period. There isn't a game that LSU has played that neither played a pivotal (before any of you folks go ballistic, you may want to look up the definition) role in as of yet, both are just parts of the puzzle. How anyone thinks one is superior to the other is beyond me.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 10:07 am to ScoopAndScore
quote:That still doesn't explain away JL's record for second all-time at LSU for most completions without an interception.
To be fair, the system and some good fortune have heavily contributed to this. When you only throw about 10 passes per game, mathematics tells me you will throw fewer INTs.
But keep trying.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 10:07 am to USMCTiger03
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That same logic would also apply to JJ and his lack of INTs.
It absolutely would.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 10:08 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:You as a man, have to be mature enough to realize that people say things out of emotion that they really don't mean. They may even convince themselves that they think this way in an irrational, emotional moment of anger but in their heart of hearts don't really mean it.
frick man...I had some douche behind me Saturday actually declare he'd have preferred LSU LOSE against BAMA with JL under center than to have won with JJ there! You in that group?
quote:There really aren't many, if any. The hatred from a Bama fan- "I hope you lose and your QB gets hurt"- and an irrational outburst from an LSU fan- "Damn, I hate our QB, I hope we lose"- are not even close to being the same statement when you look at intent.
I still refuse to belive their are fans out there who think/feel this way.
This post was edited on 11/16/11 at 10:09 am
Posted on 11/16/11 at 10:09 am to Mayhawman
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To be fair, it's 21.2 attempts.
Fairly significant. JJ averaged 16 attempts per game last year.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 10:15 am to TIGRLEE
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I just wish people would admit who they would rather see under center instead of acting like whatevr LM says is fine with them... when reality its not.
I personally liked how it was going with JL playing most of the time(even though I do think JJ is better). My reasoning is JL was playing to well to justify playuing JJ ahead of him.
I did say prior to bama game that I thought JJ would get more and more snaps...eventually more than JL. It has nothing to do with what I think of the QB's but was simple logic. Miles had JJ as his starter and Miles never replaced JJ last year so that tells me Shady's incident or not CLM thinks JJ is the best QB.
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Hell you said it a couple times you ithink JJ is better than JL.
But I also am willing to admit both have strengths and weaknesses. Neither is a great QB. I pull for whoever is in there to play great. My favorite players are usually defensive guys b/c I love seeing great hits but in the big scheme of it all the players come and go so I just want LSU to win.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 10:17 am to Topwater Trout
quote:wjw
even though I do think JJ is better
Posted on 11/16/11 at 10:19 am to GeauxTigerTM
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To be fair, the system and some good fortune have heavily contributed to this. When you only throw about 10 passes per game, mathematics tells me you will throw fewer INTs.
That still doesn't explain away JL's record for second all-time at LSU for most completions without an interception.
I think you just exposed people trying to use stats to support their agenda. Both QB's have played well in the roles asked of them this year and you have some absolute tards trying to explain it away. Actually kind of funny, in a way.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 10:20 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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You as a man, have to be mature enough to realize that people say things out of emotion that they really don't mean.
I have to disagree here, if only to say that I actually don't do that personally. If I say it, I mean it. I've always hated that excuse, to be honest. I think people say things out of anger, or drunkenness that they later REGRET saying, but their anger or intoxication let their guard down and some ugly truth came out.
In this case, I have no clue if he meant it or not. I can only report what WAS said. Given that he didn't say Jefferson when he said it but used a racial slur instead, I'll assume the guy had more issues than simply this he's dealing with.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 10:25 am to USMCTiger03
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That same logic would also apply to JJ and his lack of INTs.
Obviously. So then the only thing you can evaluate are mechanics and appearance. JL has always and still does bail out after every throw. Almost like he's scared to be hit. Fortunately, this hadn't posed much of a problem throughout the season, until Bama.
JJ, by contrast, stands tall, finishes his throws and can run when it all breaks down. He just looks better back there than he ever has. JL looks about like he always has. When he has a clean pocket, JL can put the ball where it needs to be. No doubt about it. But in big games against the best teams, the pocket is not always clean. Give me JJ.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 10:27 am to ScoopAndScore
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To be fair, the system and some good fortune have heavily contributed to this. When you only throw about 10 passes per game, mathematics tells me you will throw fewer INTs.
It's not so much lack of attempts as type of attempts.
And I doubt it would be all the that different with JJ in there.
The system is set up to protect these two. It's not dependent on them standing in there and going through long progressions or being dynamic pre-snap.
It's pretty simple, basic reads, lots of 1 or 2 route plays... throwing ahead of the sticks, lots of protected throws off play action and in favorable situations, etc.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 10:28 am to RogerTheShrubber
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How anyone thinks one is superior to the other is beyond me.
I agree with this. Neither is head and shoulders better than the other. But if you absolutely force me to pick one, I'm picking JJ. And I have vehemently criticized JJ in the past, probably more so than Lee. But right now, with a BCS champ on the line, I feel slightly more confident with JJ back there. Call me crazy.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 10:29 am to ScoopAndScore
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Obviously. So then the only thing you can evaluate are mechanics and appearance.
Yeah, I don't think you want to use this reasoning for either QB.
Both bail. One throws too early, the other runs or gets sacked. There are some notable exceptions.
One isn't better than the other, overall. If you have a preference, you have a preference. Neither QB has been asked to do much though. I wouldn't be comfortable with either guy being asked to "win" a game. LSU hasn't needed them to, though.
This post was edited on 11/16/11 at 10:31 am
Posted on 11/16/11 at 10:30 am to just me
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I have no doubt there are people who want the other QB to fail, but no one wants LSU to lose.
So you're saying that no one COULD have said it?
I recall having an LSU fan tell me before the 09 Hog game that he wanted LSU to lose so Miles would be fired.
After the Vol game in 2010, I was told by an LSU fan that he wished we had loss that game so Miles would be fired.
And with JJ, I had an LSU guy tell me that JJ should never play another game for LSU and if he did, he hoped we would lose every game he played in.
So, I have no problem believing there LSU fans more into personal agenda than LSU success.
But hey, there are nuts like that everywhere and in all fan bases...you can only roll your eyes and smile. imo
Hoping for the failure of another on your own team when that team is successful is more than a tad telling as to ones character, but that's lfe sometimes.
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