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re: Scott Van Pelt's take on Les
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:08 am to Dorsey07
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:08 am to Dorsey07
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SVP and others tend to leave off the part where if Les stayed, he likely wouldn't have pulled off another national title and 110-32 either
This is like the 10th time this had been posted. None of you are Mrs. Cleo. You can't predict the future.
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Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:09 am to PhiTiger1764
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I'll bet you money that whoever's next at LSU doesn't survive 11 years and doesn't go 110-32. I'll take the under on both of those for the limit.
Let's see who they hire. If they manage to sway a pipe dream coach like Chip Kelly or some big name like Pete Carroll (about a 0.001% chance) then I'll take that bet.
It's easy to say the next coach won't have similar success as the coach who was in place for the "Golden age of LSU football." LSU has done as much for Les as Les has done for LSU.
He is widely considered our Bobby Bowden despite Bowden having a slightly better overall resume.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:11 am to BayouBengals03
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He likely won't win a national championship
But, if he does come in and win a NC within 3 years do we give Les credit for the NC since it will have been with "his players"?
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:13 am to PhiTiger1764
The problem is NOT JUST SABAN! If was only Saban we would only have 3 conference losses the past 3 years instead of 12 as of right now...
Stop saying its Saban!
Stop saying its Saban!
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:13 am to PhiTiger1764
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And yes. Really. Anyone would take our current team going into 2016, plus the #1 recruiting class, and who will be returning starters and future NFL players all over the field, including the GOAT, over the 2005 team
So because of Fournette alone, LSU is in a better position next year than 2005 with a proven QB developer in Jimbo and OC, defense coming off being ranked top 10, solid Running backs, legit OL, and positon coaches in place that people believed in versus:
a questionable QB coach and OC, antiquated offensive scheme, replacing multiple OL massively declining defense and horrid DC, DBs getting worse, probably no linebackers, and 4 years of decline?
That's a better setup? Trusting in a freshman recruiting class to make LSU championship worthy?
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 9:15 am
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:17 am to Geauxgurt
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So because of Fournette alone
No. I mean do you even fricking read?
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 9:18 am
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:22 am to PhiTiger1764
Yes. I do. This team plus some unguaranteed recruiting class is not better set up to win than the 2005 team. You are delusional if you think so. LSU will be reworking the OL, LBer's, key DB positions, and the DC is not someone with a proven record and in fact his record shows the defense will be worse.
So, I'm sorry if you feel this team is so unbelievably talented, because it has huge gaping holes at major positions where the talent either doesn't exist, has proven to be mediocre/busts, or the coaching leaves little faith that it will be developed or used correctly.
So, I'm sorry if you feel this team is so unbelievably talented, because it has huge gaping holes at major positions where the talent either doesn't exist, has proven to be mediocre/busts, or the coaching leaves little faith that it will be developed or used correctly.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:23 am to Geauxgurt
Why are you focusing on the coaches? The new guy, presumably, would bring in his own coaches. He isn't getting Cam, BDP, Steele, et al forced on him.
And if you think LF is the only NFL level athlete on this team, you are really really ignorant of this team and the recruiting we've had for the last several years.
And if you think LF is the only NFL level athlete on this team, you are really really ignorant of this team and the recruiting we've had for the last several years.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:27 am to Geauxgurt
I'll give you linebackers as a problem. But we are going to return at least 15 starters. Fifteen. And at key positions. The team is chock full of talent. It is set up to make a run for it all next year.
The next coach is getting the same deal or better that Les got when Nick left.
The next coach is getting the same deal or better that Les got when Nick left.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:31 am to GRTiger
Again I was referring to the QB position. The statement was right after I mentioned the QBs.
Furthermore, Steele's excuse for some is our lack of depth at LBer and DL this year. Having some frosh contribute after losing our onl to legitimate LBers this year is not going to add depth.
Furthermore, I said 2005 was a much better set up. You have everything in place including depth at e dry position basically. Coaching makes a difference when a good system can be further developed versus a new OC and/or DC installing their system.
LSU has a good amount of talent but huge holes that even this supposed amazing single recruiting class isn't going to fix thanks to Les' recruiting strategy the past 6 years.
Furthermore, Steele's excuse for some is our lack of depth at LBer and DL this year. Having some frosh contribute after losing our onl to legitimate LBers this year is not going to add depth.
Furthermore, I said 2005 was a much better set up. You have everything in place including depth at e dry position basically. Coaching makes a difference when a good system can be further developed versus a new OC and/or DC installing their system.
LSU has a good amount of talent but huge holes that even this supposed amazing single recruiting class isn't going to fix thanks to Les' recruiting strategy the past 6 years.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:34 am to PhiTiger1764
Average ranking of the teams leading up to Miles' first year for players that were still eligible: 10
Average ranking for the new coach if he comes in next year: 5
Geauxgurt has no argument here.
Average ranking for the new coach if he comes in next year: 5
Geauxgurt has no argument here.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:37 am to PhiTiger1764
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But we are going to return at least 15 starters. Fifteen. And at key positions.
Is the offensive line a key position? I'm not sure I want those guys back.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:39 am to GRTiger
Again, how many guys left early? How many busts? I don't give a crap about rankings. I see how the talent looks on the field and 5 stars like White don't look so great at this point. How's that 5* LBer Garret helping LSU now?
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:41 am to Gris Gris
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I'll be happy to eat crow
I'll eat crow with you as I have this wonderful cajun crow marinade that makes stewed crow taste like stewed squirrel.
Rather eat stewed crow then watch Les eat grass and spastically clap for next few years which just thinking about it makes me nauseated.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:41 am to CajunAlum Tiger Fan
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Is the offensive line a key position? I'm not sure I want those guys back.
Nah, losing both OTs is no big deal. Also losing our only two legitimate LBers with absolutely nothing behind them? Nah. Amazing freshman class will make it happen with Steele's proven great defenses.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:44 am to Geauxgurt
Rivals had Nick Child as the #1 pickup in 2002. Heard of him? Me either. The biggest pickup in 2005? Ryan Perriloux. Heard of him? Yea me too.
That you think busts and early departures are unique to Les Miles' teams is odd.
That you think busts and early departures are unique to Les Miles' teams is odd.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:45 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I think people are just frustrated with the offense, and the inability to beat Alabama.
I'd settle for just beating Arkansas
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:48 am to Plankton
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I couldn't believe all the sunshine pump bull shite he was spouting until he said that.
Yeah, I can't believe an entire nation is full of sunshine pump, but only here in Louisiana a few have got it right moreso than anyone else. It so right, that they don't want or need the #1 recruiting class or two of the best recruiters in the nation on the team. It's so serious that they shouldn't even be given a chance to develop their recruits. Nevermind the fact that they don't have a specific interest in the program and aren't rabid fans. They are the ones with the purple and gold glasses, right?
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:50 am to GRTiger
I find it hilarious that you are setting it up to hedge your excuses and to make sure Miles is the goat no matter what. Here are your arguments:
1. Miles came in with a stockpile of talent (true)
2. His success is due to that talent that he didn't get himself (a small part)
3. Miles is leaving the cupboard empty for the next guy (false, it's better than when he got here)
4. Miles is wasting a ton of talent (contradicts #3)
Your motive for the last two are clear, even if they contradict the first two. If the next guy doesn't dominate, you blame Miles for a lack of talent. If he dominates, you say Miles (who will get no credit from you) couldn't utilize the talent effectively.
It's an awesome plan, but very transparent.
1. Miles came in with a stockpile of talent (true)
2. His success is due to that talent that he didn't get himself (a small part)
3. Miles is leaving the cupboard empty for the next guy (false, it's better than when he got here)
4. Miles is wasting a ton of talent (contradicts #3)
Your motive for the last two are clear, even if they contradict the first two. If the next guy doesn't dominate, you blame Miles for a lack of talent. If he dominates, you say Miles (who will get no credit from you) couldn't utilize the talent effectively.
It's an awesome plan, but very transparent.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:53 am to PhiTiger1764
Problem is, we are used to second place. But the fact is we have not been second place since 2011, and now second place seems light years away from where we are now. I do not see this program getting any better under Miles from here on out. There is a very real possibility he is right, but slow decay outright sucks, better to get it over with or die trying to fix it.
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