- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Coaching Changes
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Scott Van Pelt's take on Les
Posted on 11/24/15 at 7:49 am to saintsfan22
Posted on 11/24/15 at 7:49 am to saintsfan22
No Scott Van Belt is not right If the tables were turned and Alabama had the same record under Saban or any other coach they would be doing the same thing. Except the national media would be talking about "The Bear" and "Gene Stallings" and the high standards of Alabama. Not their spoiled fan base. But at LSU we are supposed to be happy to be a perennial second, third or fourth since 2011. The national media constantly talks about 110-32 as the record. But that is not the point. Look at the trending of the program over the last 5 years, look at the conference record, look at the talent vs the result, look at the number of players contributing on NFL rosters and how we did not even compete for the SEC or National Championship in those years, look at the inability to recruit and develop a quarterback, look at the fact that Bama brought in Lane Kiffen and modernized their offense, the fact that Saban realizes he has to score more points because offenses are changing and defense can't win every game anymore. Even when they shut teams completely down they are scoring 30 plus points not 17 or 20 with a score by the defense. Guys like Scott Van Pelt don't take into account the entire picture. Look at some of the past coaches at Bama who had really good records overall but were forced out because they couldn't beat Auburn every year. Why does the national media expect LSU to accept a lessor standard than is set at Alabama and some other programs and why should we. I like Les as a person. I don't hate the guy. He has been a good ambassador for the program, school and state. He treats people with respect everywhere he goes but this program is going in the wrong direction and I have not heard one thing from Les in the last 3 weeks that would lead me to believe that any kind of changes are coming with regard to how this team functions. And the TAF should not have to go to Les and tell him to get rid of this coach or that coach or stay out of the offense or defense etc. Peveto, bad hire, Steele bad hire for a DC, Grimes underwhelming. My suspicion about Cameron is that he is calling plays and Miles changes at least 50% of them. So I don't put the entire offense on Cameron, but who is supposed to be working and developing the quarterback position because that is not getting done. Harris has a great arm. Why can't he hit a receiver on a short route? Just asking.
2
Posted on 11/24/15 at 7:52 am to Doyle McPoyle
quote:
Just stating the fact that the country has decided we are spoiled morons and, whether it's right/wrong, if next guy fails, we will be roasted w "everyone told you so" for a very long time.
It's a good thing we are mature enough to not care what they think.
Look, they haven't watched every game for 11 years like we have. They can't possibly have the same perspective we do, so why does it matter what their half-informed opinions are?
Posted on 11/24/15 at 7:52 am to texastigerr
quote:
No Scott Van Belt is not right If the tables were turned and Alabama had the same record under Saban or any other coach they would be doing the same thing. Except the national media would be talking about "The Bear" and "Gene Stallings" and the high standards of Alabama. Not their spoiled fan base. But at LSU we are supposed to be happy to be a perennial second, third or fourth since 2011. The national media constantly talks about 110-32 as the record. But that is not the point. Look at the trending of the program over the last 5 years, look at the conference record, look at the talent vs the result, look at the number of players contributing on NFL rosters and how we did not even compete for the SEC or National Championship in those years, look at the inability to recruit and develop a quarterback, look at the fact that Bama brought in Lane Kiffen and modernized their offense, the fact that Saban realizes he has to score more points because offenses are changing and defense can't win every game anymore. Even when they shut teams completely down they are scoring 30 plus points not 17 or 20 with a score by the defense. Guys like Scott Van Pelt don't take into account the entire picture. Look at some of the past coaches at Bama who had really good records overall but were forced out because they couldn't beat Auburn every year. Why does the national media expect LSU to accept a lessor standard than is set at Alabama and some other programs and why should we. I like Les as a person. I don't hate the guy. He has been a good ambassador for the program, school and state. He treats people with respect everywhere he goes but this program is going in the wrong direction and I have not heard one thing from Les in the last 3 weeks that would lead me to believe that any kind of changes are coming with regard to how this team functions. And the TAF should not have to go to Les and tell him to get rid of this coach or that coach or stay out of the offense or defense etc. Peveto, bad hire, Steele bad hire for a DC, Grimes underwhelming. My suspicion about Cameron is that he is calling plays and Miles changes at least 50% of them. So I don't put the entire offense on Cameron, but who is supposed to be working and developing the quarterback position because that is not getting done. Harris has a great arm. Why can't he hit a receiver on a short route? Just asking.
WALL
OF
TEXT
Posted on 11/24/15 at 7:55 am to Katy Tiger
quote:
Les wouldn't go 110-32 if you start counting from this week forward.
Exactly. That's the point missed in all of this.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 7:56 am to The Eric
Oh yea, those 4 plays they ran against Ole Miss from the one foot line REALLY looked like improvement!
To me it looked like a CONFUSED sideline and a clueless Q'back with nothing in between. Oh yea, thats progress.
To me it looked like a CONFUSED sideline and a clueless Q'back with nothing in between. Oh yea, thats progress.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 8:04 am to Katy Tiger
quote:
Les wouldn't go 110-32 if you start counting from this week forward.
This is what many people are missing. The record starts when he took over in 2005 from "the other guy" who was here.
Do some people really feel Miles has LSU on the right path? Do you really think a Miles-led team will go into Arkansas next year and beat Bert? It amazes me. Watch the games again... offense, defense, ST. "We're young". So is almost every other SEC team. Who's fault is it there are recruiting/player gaps? Man, l hardly every bashed him, and I'm just telling it like I see it.
I wish him the best, and it was a good run, but this has gotten pretty old.
Edit: And many may still laugh, but if Bert could recruit La., he would be a much better fit at LSU.
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 8:06 am
Posted on 11/24/15 at 8:08 am to Katy Tiger
quote:
Les wouldn't go 110-32 if you start counting from this week forward.
Thank you. Why can't people grasp this concept?
Posted on 11/24/15 at 8:10 am to Gorilla Ball
quote:
Review the sec total win the past 5 seasons. It's a decline.
YEAR RECORD AP POLL
2005 11-2 (7-1 SEC) 6
2006 11-2 (6-2 SEC) 3
2007 12-2 (6-2 SEC) 1
2008 8-5 (3-5 SEC) --
2009 9-4 (5-3 SEC) 17
2010 11-2 (6-2 SEC) 8
2011 13-1 (8-0 SEC) 2
2012 10-3 (6-2 SEC) 13
2013 10-3 (5-3 SEC) 14
2014 8-5 (4-4 SEC) --
2015* 7-3 (4-3 SEC)* --
* Two games remaining in regular season
Did you actually do the math? In the last 5 seasons LSUs total SEC wins is 27 and the previous 5 years was 26. Now if you are only looking at the last 5 years: 8-0,6-2, 5-3, 4-4, and maybe 5-3 sure there is a downward trend.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 8:12 am to PhiTiger1764
When you have the highest paid staff in football, you make over 4 million a year, you leverage an opening at Ark to get a raise AND extension then you have to perform. This is simple a business move.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 8:14 am to PhiTiger1764
quote:
I'll bet you money that whoever's next at LSU doesn't survive 11 years and doesn't go 110-32. I'll take the under on both of those for the limit.
He's right!
Posted on 11/24/15 at 8:20 am to PhiTiger1764
quote:
Les has become something of a friend and I say that before I say this: I'll bet you money that whoever's next at LSU doesn't survive 11 years and doesn't go 110-32. I'll take the under on both of those for the limit.
So he admits bias then states how the next person won't be as successful as his buddy. Sure was an objective piece. You can't say the guy won't do better buy I can say the next guy is getting a degraded program to what Les got, so no shite he's not gonba have the same chance to be as successful.
Les was gifted an NC talented team with loads of depth at basically every position, two NFL ready QBs, an legit OC, and a system in place on the upswing.
Miles is leaving gaping holes in talent all over the team, a bad set of coaches at many positions that have scarred some players growth and development and maybe one player with NFL potential. No shite it will be tough for the next guy.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 8:37 am to Geauxgurt
Anyone would take the team we have going into next year over the 9-3 team that had its own 30 point loss to Georgia in 2004 and lost the bowl game to Iowa. Take that "gifted a NC talented team" bullshite elsewhere.
It's ok to want to move on. I'm not saying I don't.. But it's not ok to spew bullshite.
Eta:
How do you actually type this out without laughing?
It's ok to want to move on. I'm not saying I don't.. But it's not ok to spew bullshite.
Eta:
quote:
Maybe one player with NFL potential
How do you actually type this out without laughing?
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 8:39 am
Posted on 11/24/15 at 8:44 am to PhiTiger1764
quote:
Anyone would take the team we have going into next year over the 9-3 team that had its own 30 point loss to Georgia in 2004 and lost the bowl game to Iowa. Take that "gifted a NC talented team" bullshite elsewhere.
Really? Anyone would take our current roster for 2016 over the 2005 roster for potential?
Man you are delirious. Do you know the depth on defense for that 2005 team? The QB talent and depth? The fact that we had an OC worth a damn? The fact our defense had a pulse the year before?
Yes, let's claim the one bad loss in 2004 is identical to three embarrassing losses in 2015.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 8:45 am to PhiTiger1764
quote:
How do you actually type this out without laughing?
You realize that was in reference to the QB position right you idiot?
Posted on 11/24/15 at 8:47 am to Geauxgurt
quote:
I can say the next guy is getting a degraded program to what Les got,
Why do people keep saying this? LSU is absolutely stacked with talent. The next guy could be walking into a Heisman trophy winning year for fricks sake.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 8:56 am to GRTiger
This boils down to money. LSU could be paying a lot less money and getting a similar result IMO over the past 5 years. This teams performance does not match the top tier pay of current coaching staff.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:02 am to Geauxgurt
quote:
you realize that was in reference to the QB position right you idiot?
No, you fricking mouth breather, I can't read your mind. Just what you posted.
And yes. Really. Anyone would take our current team going into 2016, plus the #1 recruiting class, and who will be returning starters and future NFL players all over the field, including the GOAT, over the 2005 team.
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 9:04 am
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:03 am to PhiTiger1764
SVP and others tend to leave off the part where if Les stayed, he likely wouldn't have pulled off another national title and 110-32 either. Intellectual dishonesty by not realizing Les peak was 2011 and the decline that has ensued; how many buyouts have the boosters had to absorb to cover up Les' offensive "want"?
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:05 am to texastigerr
quote:
No Scott Van Belt is not right If the tables were turned and Alabama had the same record under Saban or any other coach they would be doing the same thing. Except the national media would be talking about "The Bear" and "Gene Stallings" and the high standards of Alabama. Not their spoiled fan base. But at LSU we are supposed to be happy to be a perennial second, third or fourth since 2011. The national media constantly talks about 110-32 as the record. But that is not the point. Look at the trending of the program over the last 5 years, look at the conference record, look at the talent vs the result, look at the number of players contributing on NFL rosters and how we did not even compete for the SEC or National Championship in those years, look at the inability to recruit and develop a quarterback, look at the fact that Bama brought in Lane Kiffen and modernized their offense, the fact that Saban realizes he has to score more points because offenses are changing and defense can't win every game anymore. Even when they shut teams completely down they are scoring 30 plus points not 17 or 20 with a score by the defense. Guys like Scott Van Pelt don't take into account the entire picture. Look at some of the past coaches at Bama who had really good records overall but were forced out because they couldn't beat Auburn every year. Why does the national media expect LSU to accept a lessor standard than is set at Alabama and some other programs and why should we. I like Les as a person. I don't hate the guy. He has been a good ambassador for the program, school and state. He treats people with respect everywhere he goes but this program is going in the wrong direction and I have not heard one thing from Les in the last 3 weeks that would lead me to believe that any kind of changes are coming with regard to how this team functions. And the TAF should not have to go to Les and tell him to get rid of this coach or that coach or stay out of the offense or defense etc. Peveto, bad hire, Steele bad hire for a DC, Grimes underwhelming. My suspicion about Cameron is that he is calling plays and Miles changes at least 50% of them. So I don't put the entire offense on Cameron, but who is supposed to be working and developing the quarterback position because that is not getting done. Harris has a great arm. Why can't he hit a receiver on a short route? Just asking.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 9:07 am to PhiTiger1764
quote:
Les has become something of a friend and I say that before I say this: I'll bet you money that whoever's next at LSU doesn't survive 11 years and doesn't go 110-32. I'll take the under on both of those for the limit.
And I'll bet you money that if Miles were here for another 11 years he wouldn't go 110-32. This isn't about finding someone that is better than Miles was early in his time here. This is about finding someone that is better than current Miles and future Miles. I don't think it's realistic to expect that we hit on our first hire and that coach, whoever it is, is as successful as miles was, but I do think it's necessary to cut ties, because we are heading in a bad direction. The quicker we get turned around the better.
Page 7 of 11
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News