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re: Ryan Theriot on the missed DP by Arky
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:35 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:35 am to Lester Earl
I think what Theriot nails is that he didn't know what he was gonna do prior to the ball being hit. Which is baffling considering it was right after a timeout on the mound. The coaches should've been saying, "runner on 2nd doesn't matter, let's get a ground ball, throw it to 2nd and turn a double play and end this."
SS should've been waiting for the pitch thinking, "if I get this I'm going to 2 to turn the double play."
Either none of that happened, or the ball got to him so quick, that his brain failed him as soon as the runner crosses in front of him and instincts kicked in.
SS should've been waiting for the pitch thinking, "if I get this I'm going to 2 to turn the double play."
Either none of that happened, or the ball got to him so quick, that his brain failed him as soon as the runner crosses in front of him and instincts kicked in.
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Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:36 am to Lester Earl
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To throw to 3rd base, yeah.
Yeah he never rounded it so he never even considered turning 2. Even with the good read. Very strange decision.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:37 am to hashtag
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I think what Theriot nails is that he didn't know what he was gonna do prior to the ball being hit.
I think he did and took “3rd base to my right” too literal.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:37 am to Cold Cous Cous
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Theriot alludes to this when he says "you just want to make sure to get one out." I think Aloy panicked at the thought of trying to turn two and somehow throwing it away, with the runners moving up, thus making him the goat. So he took what he perceived as the low-risk out.
Exactly. He’d decided anything to his right and he was taking the shorter, easier throw.
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 9:45 am
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:41 am to Geaux Piggins Geaux
Best take on the situation I’ve seen yet. Thanks for sharing.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:43 am to hashtag
Let’s also not forget Theriot made 32 errors his JR year as a college SS 
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:47 am to Lester Earl
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he couldn't have fielded it more textbook.
To throw to 3rd base, yeah.
no, to throw to second. hell he had to completely shift his hips to throw to 3rd. now he threw a strike, because honestly both throws are pretty easy, but based on how he squared it up the throw to second is actually easier with it being on his arm side.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:47 am to BobBoucher
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Great take. Gotta want the ball with a plan. He’ll be better for it. So will Dickinson
Agree. And if you tend to hang back to ensure you field it cleanly, then getting the lead runner is the smart move since you’re only going to get one out anyway.
Obviously the best thing there was not to hang back, but good call out by Ryan
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:49 am to bbap
He could have thrown to 2nd from that position, but given the speed of the ball it would have been fielded different if that was the intention. He did not ever intend to turn two. I mean the result confirms that but Theriot is also right that his behavior in approaching the groundball says the same thing.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:51 am to Lester Earl
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He did not ever intend to turn two. I mean the result confirms
yeah not arguing that, because like you said it was clear based on his actions what he had decided to do in his mind.
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Theriot is also right that his behavior in approaching the groundball says the same thing.
that i disagree with
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:52 am to MOT
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And what everyone else is saying is that given the situation and where the ball was hit, he should have tried for the double play regardless of the outcome.
Yes, I understand, although I’m not really responding to “everyone” saying what the right play was, I don’t agree that it was the worst play. That was the next thing I wrote, I’m not arguing where he should have gone with the ball.
But I understand that he made a conservative decision that his team should have survived. Even if he made the wrong play, it was not the worst play of the game
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:54 am to OceanMan
Why is throwing to 3rd more conservative than him going to 2nd?
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:54 am to Geaux Piggins Geaux
Mike Mahtook on the radio this morning said he thinks Aloy forgot that Frey had just walked.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:55 am to OceanMan
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Yes, I understand, although I’m not really responding to “everyone” saying what the right play was, I don’t agree that it was the worst play. That was the next thing I wrote, I’m not arguing where he should have gone with the ball.
This is a semantics argument. For me, Aloy made the worst decision of the game. He actually made a good play to field that ball so cleanly, the decision was just bad.
The worst play was the LF. That was just a panicked disaster.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:56 am to clamdip
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Mike Mahtook on the radio this morning said he thinks Aloy forgot that Frey had just walked
This would make sense, but didn’t they have a meeting after the walk? I don’t see how he didn’t know that situation.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:58 am to clamdip
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Mike Mahtook on the radio this morning said he thinks Aloy forgot that Frey had just walked.
that's just guessing but if true that sure would be hilarious
Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:03 am to Lester Earl
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He knew he made the wrong decision for sure. Theriot didn’t mean that he should fully charge the ball. But a step or two forward to gain ground is common on a play like that to a)get into better position to turn it b)touch the ball a split second sooner to ensure you beat the runner.
What I heard Theriot say is he was passive in approaching the ball and maybe he was but I don't think that was a factor at all in whether or not a DP could have been made, other than maybe in that guys own mind - but even that is pure speculation - you would have to ask him and he skipped the post game presser.
Players are taught to play out the scenarios in their heads on where to go and what to do when, etc. I don't think that ball hit as it was presented him with a reasonable scenario to throw to 3rd. I just think the pressure of the moment probably got to him.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:04 am to RB10
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The worst play was the LF. That was just a panicked disaster.
Do what? Lolo he slipped bro did you not watch the game? Get your eyes checked. Panick disaster? Where do you goofballs come from?
Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:06 am to Double Oh
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Do what? Lolo he slipped bro did you not watch the game? Get your eyes checked. Panick disaster? Where do you goofballs come from?
Yeah he slipped and then lunged at the ball trying to make the play, causing it to bounce 70 feet away and tie the game and put the winning run at 2nd.
If he doesn’t panic he keeps the ball in front of him and it’s 5-4 with runners at the corners.
So, yes, it absolutely was a panicked disaster. Stay in your lane.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:08 am to clamdip
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Mike Mahtook on the radio this morning said he thinks Aloy forgot that Frey had just walked.
And that might of happened also but gotta believe he knew what the situation was and if he didn't then he had a mental lapse
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