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re: Ryan Theriot on the missed DP by Arky
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:10 am to The Boat
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:10 am to The Boat
Is he is running to his right and his glove is outside his shoulders on his right side, yeh flippping it to 3rd is easier
But that isn’t close to what happened. If your argument for this play where his feet were that the throw was easier to 3rd, you are absolutely arguing lefties should play short
Because your argument is pivoting and throwing opposite of your shoulders is easier than throwing naturally through your body
But that isn’t close to what happened. If your argument for this play where his feet were that the throw was easier to 3rd, you are absolutely arguing lefties should play short
Because your argument is pivoting and throwing opposite of your shoulders is easier than throwing naturally through your body
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Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:10 am to Geaux Piggins Geaux
Aloy told his coach that he felt like the ball had taken him too far to his right to get two. WE all know that he could have because we’ve seen Milam not busting it out of the box.
Whether what Aloy said is true or just an excuse, we’ll likely never know. I’m just glad he decided to go to third.
Whether what Aloy said is true or just an excuse, we’ll likely never know. I’m just glad he decided to go to third.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:11 am to RB10
Dude his face after the play shows he knew he absolutely fricked up royally
He looked like a boy whose kitten and puppy just got thrown in a wood chipper
He looked like a boy whose kitten and puppy just got thrown in a wood chipper
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 11:12 am
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:11 am to lsupride87
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Dude the front runner nobody gives a shite about
You asked why it is conservative, and I’m giving you the reason.
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And a missed throw to 3rd is a run….
Again, it’s less likely to be. The runner is rounding third if he goes to second.
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No. he fielded it completely square directly in the middle of both bags. Turning his shoulders to 3rd is actually slightly more difficult
This completely ignores the level of precision and required velocity of each throw.
It was obviously the most conservative play he could have made. The only thing it changed was the number of outs and the personnel at each bag.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:11 am to OceanMan
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But he did. And laid out for the ball taking himself out of the play.
You do understand the ball was sinking and he has to crouch down to make that catch coupled with the slip and now he's all in a fuked up position. The slip took him out the play because now he is trying to balance himself without completely falling down
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:12 am to WaterLink
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About the only rationalization other than having a brain fart due to nerves is if you sail the throw to 2nd then Curiel scores and Frey gets to 3rd as the tying run with 1 out.
Mentally going through situations pre-pitch is something every player on the team should do, and his teammates should have been talking between pitches about where the ball should go, if hit in the infield.
Every level of ball I have ever played, these were traditions. There isnt really an excuse for what occurred. Arkansas didnt take the situation serious.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:12 am to Lester Earl
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The throw to second certainly is routine because they do it all the time. But it definitely causes a rush due to the DP component. Which certainly adds more risk vs the play he chose to make.
But Les, here's my take. If you try to turn 2, and only get the guy at second, what do you have? Runners on 1st and 3rd, 2 outs.
If you go to 3rd, 1st and 2nd, 2 outs.
In each scenario, the guy on 3rd and or the guy on 2nd don't matter. You're up by 2 runs. That lead runner is irrelevant.
So going to 3rd, you remove the chance to end the game with a DP.
Going to 2nd, you have a 99% chance to end the game.
Why go to 3rd? Especially if you're a MLB SS? It had to have been a mental error. The announcers sure thought it was. And DVH didn't defend it in the press conference.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:12 am to lsupride87
“There’s gonna be a thread on Tigerdroppings about this”
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:13 am to OceanMan
quote:Tell me why a throw to second here required more precision and velocity
This completely ignores the level of precision and required velocity of each throw.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:13 am to The Boat
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People are acting it was one of those plays where the SS runs right, snags a ball in the hole, and flips it to 3rd for the out because it’s his only play.
No, we aren’t. No one has said it was his only option. It was the last and worst option. Which is why the decision to do it is so strange.
We’re saying this was the scenario he had in his head and he overthought the play and went with this just because the ball was to his right.
What’s funny to me is everyone arguing that the ball didn’t take him towards 3rd, even though it was only a few steps. It absolutely did, which is the entire reason his brain defaulted to “secure the ball and guarantee the out”.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:14 am to lsupride87
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Dude his face after the play shows he knew he absolutely fricked up royally
He looked like a boy whose kitten and puppy just got thrown in a wood chipper
Is anyone in here arguing that he didn’t frick up?
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:14 am to RB10
quote:And nobody is saying that isn’t what he “thought”
We’re saying this was the scenario he had in his head and he overthought the play and went with this just because the ball was to his right.
We are simply saying the facts of the play. Once he was set, throwing to 3rd was actually more difficult. Whatever was in his Moana brain at the time doesn’t matter
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:18 am to lsupride87
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We are simply saying the facts of the play. Once he was set, throwing to 3rd was actually more difficult. Whatever was in his Moana brain at the time doesn’t matter
Yes it does. He’d decided he was going to 3rd so in the moment that’s an easier play than changing his mind and snap throwing to 2nd. Thats when errors happen.
It doesn’t matter why he decided to go to 3rd, or that it wasn’t the correct decision. Once it was the decision it was the easier play for him.
That’s all we are saying. He secured the ball and went to third, which had to be his decision from the moment Milam made contact.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:19 am to WaterLink
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Are people really trying to justify it?
I think some are. He's more comfortable throwing to 3rd? He was moving to his right? He wanted to make sure to get the lead runner out?
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:20 am to Festus
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I think some are. He's more comfortable throwing to 3rd? He was moving to his right? He wanted to make sure to get the lead runner out?
That’s not justifying it. That’s simply trying to figure out why he did it.
It was an awful, awful decision. There’s no arguing against that.
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 11:21 am
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:20 am to lsupride87
I didn’t read all 11 pages.
My theory (which may or may not have been stated earlier) is that Aloy forgot Frey was on 1B. He thought only Curiel was on base and when he saw him flash in front of him going to 3rd he threw there for the easy tag out (based on how far Curiel was from the bag).
It’s the only thing I can think of for a player of that caliber to not throw that ball to 2B.
My theory (which may or may not have been stated earlier) is that Aloy forgot Frey was on 1B. He thought only Curiel was on base and when he saw him flash in front of him going to 3rd he threw there for the easy tag out (based on how far Curiel was from the bag).
It’s the only thing I can think of for a player of that caliber to not throw that ball to 2B.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:22 am to The Donald
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My theory (which may or may not have been stated earlier) is that Aloy forgot Frey was on 1B. He thought only Curiel was on base and when he saw him flash in front of him going to 3rd he threw there for the easy tag out (based on how far Curiel was from the bag).
I really find this hard to believe considering they had a meeting on the mound with DVH after Frey’s walk.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:24 am to lsupride87
At this moment in time. He is very set and has no momentum anywhere. His feet are firmly on the ground and shoulders set. Great positioning
He has two choices
Easy flip throw to second.
Or, this shite that the Rock whispered into his ear
He has two choices
Easy flip throw to second.
Or, this shite that the Rock whispered into his ear
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:25 am to RB10
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That’s not justifying it. That’s simply trying to figure out why he did it.
But ignoring the fact that it could have just been an actual brain fart mental error.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:25 am to RB10
So you are saying he chose the harder play, but since he chose the harder play it’s actually the easier play?
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