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re: Ryan Theriot on the missed DP by Arky

Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:57 am to
Posted by Tiger Dominance
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Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:57 am to
Couldn't the third baseman throw the ball to first base after touching the bag to make the double play?
It seems like he had plenty of time to do this. Is there a screenshot showing this?
Posted by VanRIch
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Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:58 am to
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he’s still moving to 3B

So you’re saying he was squared up but still moving towards 3rd?
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:59 am to
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The short stop was able to be completely set for almost a full second before he fielded the ball. After he fielded the ball he decided to jump pivot his feet and shoulders to make the more difficult play to 3rd


Right. He sets rather than rounding making the throw to second even easier. He was just making sure he fielded it cleanly at that point.

Theriot even said all he cared about was not booting it and making sure he got an out. He never thought of turning two.

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It wasn’t the type of play at all you would be thing go to third because “you are moving to your right”


No, it wasn’t. It was still an easy play to 2nd. Which is why the decision is what made the play so bad.

What I’m saying is he’d clearly decided before the ball was ever hit that if it was to his right at all he was going to make sure he fielded it cleanly and was going to take the easier out at 3B, which is exactly what he did. Squared up to ensure it was clean and zero hesitation, straight to 3B.

Very strange choice.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:59 am to
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So you’re saying he was squared up but still moving towards 3rd?


Just watch prides gif and tell me which way he feet move right before he fields it.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:00 am to
If the 3rd baseman was able to throw to 1st to complete the double play it would make it even more retarded to throw to 3rd over 2nd from halfway between both because it takes longer to throw from 3rd to 1st than it does from 2nd to 1st. Which is why you see a 6-5-3 double play once every 1000 games.
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 6:39 pm
Posted by VanRIch
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Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:01 am to
It was my gif and I’m asking you do you think he was squared up but also moving toward third?
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:01 am to
Did DVH have infield set at DP depth? They must not had any mound visits left bc that’s when you need to huddle up.
Posted by WaterLink
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Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:02 am to
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Couldn't the third baseman throw the ball to first base after touching the bag to make the double play?


On the replay he makes sure to look down to make sure he steps on the bag to get Curiel out. I don't think 3B was expecting the ball so it took him by surprise. He did have time to get Milam if he makes the throw but he wasn't really ready for it much less ready to throw to 1st
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:02 am to
They did huddle right before the at bat
Posted by Festus
With Skillet
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:03 am to
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I don't think it can be undersold how bad of a decision it was. It's one of the worst decisions I think I've ever seen on a college diamond when you consider the magnitude of the situation.

In that same exact situation, Milam makes the same decision? This site would lose its' shite like never before.

There really is no reason imaginable to justify the decision. You literally pitch for a double play in that scenario. They got it. But the SS decided not to take advantage. It had to just have been a panic moment.

To see LSU cans trying to justify it just shows there are always contrarians that just love to argue.
Posted by kciDAtaE
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Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:04 am to
How does DVH not go over the plan?
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
49767 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:04 am to
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You are likely fat and unathletic. You could poll 1,000 shortstops, all 1,000 would say the throw to 3rd is more difficult. This isn’t “an argument”. This is you being stupid


Except it is an argument. I’m hardly the only person who’s said he was going to 3B and it’s an easier play.

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You are arguing , jumping, shifting your feet, turning your shoulders and throwing against your body is easier then setting set and throwing naturally across your arm angle without having to move your feet at all


What I’m actually arguing is that his decision to go to 3rd on anything to his right is what made it an easier play. No indecision, no last second snap change to go to 2nd.

Ball to his right, field it cleanly and go to 3rd was his plan, and it’s what he did.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:05 am to
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I’m hardly the only person who’s said he was going to 3B and it’s an easier play.
Find me a single real baseball human being to say it. Find one

Follow up, if you were a coach you would play lefties at SS correct?
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 11:06 am
Posted by Lester Earl
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Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:05 am to
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You could poll 1,000 shortstops, all 1,000 would say the throw to 3rd is more difficult


Pridey, if you remove the nuance of the play, then yea, maybe.

With the runner running right in front of him, it’s pretty clear that play decision was absolutely the most comfortable play for him. There was nothing difficult about it.

The throw to second certainly is routine because they do it all the time. But it definitely causes a rush due to the DP component. Which certainly adds more risk vs the play he chose to make.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
49767 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:06 am to
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It was my gif and I’m asking you do you think he was squared up but also moving toward third?


I mean, his feet are literally shuffling right just before he fields it. Everything about the way he fielded it says his plan was to go to third the entire time.
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 11:07 am
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:06 am to
I can’t argue what is “most comfortable”. I’m not in the Hawaiians head

But the actual throw to 3rd he chose to make is more difficult than the throw to second.

Something in his brain fricked up so bad he chose the absolute wrong play and the harder play. It’s why it is absolutely mind numbing to everyone that watched it
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 11:08 am
Posted by WaterLink
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
20405 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:07 am to
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There really is no reason imaginable to justify the decision


Are people really trying to justify it? I don't think anyone can disagree it was the wrong decision. I think people are just trying to understand why it happened because it's so inexplicable. About the only rationalization other than having a brain fart due to nerves is if you sail the throw to 2nd then Curiel scores and Frey gets to 3rd as the tying run with 1 out.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
175304 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:08 am to
People are acting it was one of those plays where the SS runs right, snags a ball in the hole, and flips it to 3rd for the out because it’s his only play.

He couldn’t have been set up better to go to 2nd. His feet are set and there’s no momentum carrying him one way or the other. It’s such a retarded play people are having to be retarded to try to justify it.

He didn’t even have to move his feet. Just flip it to 2nd.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
87607 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:09 am to
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brain fart


this is what I think happened, kid may even have been thinking there were two outs
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
49767 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:09 am to
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Did DVH have infield set at DP depth? They must not had any mound visits left bc that’s when you need to huddle up.


They did after Frey’s walk. I’d bet Aloy was told anything soft to his right and just make sure you get an out, which he overthought and decided anything to his right at all he was going to 3rd.

Everything about the way he made that play points to that.
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