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re: Remember the awesome LSU Saban years ? Ahhh The Salad Days of Yore...
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:16 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:16 pm to Lester Earl
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Bradie James was a 5 star man
I know. That still didn't put lsu on the map as a recruiting powerhouse. The point I was making is Saban actually had more talent than people think when he showed up on campus.
LSU had the players but wasn't a household name at the time Saban came here. Those players from that 99 class plus being able to keep players such as Clayton and Spears away from Fla St. and Miami helped make Saban to what he is today.
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Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:19 pm to DBeaux225
All coaches who take over a program has "some" talent. What they do with that talent defines them. Just like cupboard wasn't bare when Miles took over or when Saban took over at Alabama. However, he didn't have players he wanted to run his system or enough talent where the drop off from 1st to 2nd string wasn't evident.
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:21 pm to The312
Again, a lot of SPECULATION masquerading as FACT.
I gave you fact.
You gave me speculation.
I gave you Saban's actual performance.
You gave me your completely IMAGINED version of how he MIGHT have done IF the fantasies within the dark corners of your mind HAD MAGICALLY BECOME reality.
Saban was 48-16 at LSU.
Saban was 9-3 in his last season, roughly the same as his first.
I find it endlessly amusing that Saban was "rebuilding" the program in January 2005 when he lost his last game in embarrassing fashion to Iowa, and yet it is assumed the program was "rebuilt" in September 2005 when Les Miles coached against Arizona State.
It amazes me that people will argue "what might have been" incessantly, but will walk ten miles through the snow barefooted to avoid acknowledging the ACTUAL FRICKING RECORD.
I gave you fact.
You gave me speculation.
I gave you Saban's actual performance.
You gave me your completely IMAGINED version of how he MIGHT have done IF the fantasies within the dark corners of your mind HAD MAGICALLY BECOME reality.
Saban was 48-16 at LSU.
Saban was 9-3 in his last season, roughly the same as his first.
I find it endlessly amusing that Saban was "rebuilding" the program in January 2005 when he lost his last game in embarrassing fashion to Iowa, and yet it is assumed the program was "rebuilt" in September 2005 when Les Miles coached against Arizona State.
It amazes me that people will argue "what might have been" incessantly, but will walk ten miles through the snow barefooted to avoid acknowledging the ACTUAL FRICKING RECORD.
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:22 pm to coondaddy21
I'll admit, I read only the first three pages of this thread, but GOOD GOD the butthurt from the Sabandicksuckers is strong. It is especially funny given the actual record of Saban at LSU as presented by LSUPimp. The total inability to admit that Saban wasn't the same coach at LSU that he is now is almost as painfully funny as the total inability to give Les Miles once ounce of fricking credit for maintaining and strengthening the program...my six and seven year olds are more rational than this bunch, and that's really kind of sad.
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:25 pm to Mindenfan
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Agreed. The cupboard was far from bare when Saban came to LSU. I'm just wondering how TT came to the conclusion that Dinardo was a better recruiter. It's illogical.
Dinardo wasnt a bad recruiter, but he wasn't on Saban's level.
Saban also fell into a talent enriched era of Louisiana high school football. Between 1999-2004, this state had some of the best talent ever. Being able to keep those players in state also helped Nick Saban's career. If Saban left Michigan St to go and coach Iowa or West Virginia he wouldn't be who he is today IMO.
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:28 pm to Lsupimp
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find it endlessly amusing that Saban was "rebuilding" the program in January 2005 when he lost his last game in embarrassing fashion to Iowa, and yet it is assumed the program was "rebuilt" in September 2005 when Les Miles coached against Arizona State.
It amazes me that people will argue "what might have been" incessantly, but will walk ten miles through the snow barefooted to avoid acknowledging the ACTUAL FRICKING RECORD.
The actual "fricking record" is that Saban took over a program 42 years removed from an NC coming off a 2-9 season, while Miles took over a program coming off a 9-2 record and two years remoived from an NC. The "actual fricking record" is that - despite the fact that Miles took over a better program - Saban won 2 SECCG's and an NC in five years at LSU, the same exact number than Miles has won in 8 years. The "actual frickin record" is that Saban has won 2 NC's in the last three years, while Miles has none. The "actual frickin record" is that Saban is 4-3 against Miles head to head.
Looking at the "actual fricking record," its clear that Saban is a better coach than Miles.
P.S. You contradict yourself. You state on the one hand that Saban was sloppy and distracted by the end of 2004 because he was leaving for the NFL, then act as if the Iowa game is an accurate gauge of his coaching ability, which of course it wasn't. As you said, he was gone and half-assed it as a lame duck coach.
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:28 pm to tduecen
Ok, my last entry into this debate before leaving for more football.
To those who honestly think Bama, at best, is even with LSU as a program (I guess, meaning to build a program), there's really nothing else to say. I mean, who can argue with that?
Look at it this way- Oregon has a nice thing going right now. Not as good as LSU, not really, despite the media coverage. And yes, USC is down right now.
But if you would suggest Chip Kelly would leave Oregon, land at USC in a couple years, and win a single title (which is one more than he has at Oregon), AND his successor has the Ducks still playing on a level field with the Trojans:
First off I'd be shocked and impressed with Oregon. Not because they suck, but they're not USC, and they won't be.
Secondly, if you tell me the Oregon fans would whine and cry about the new coach constantly, I would find that hilarious and delusional. Because with USC at a level to contend for national titles, they've owned the Pac 12, and for anyone to hang with them consistantly would be amazing.
Bama is at least as storied as USC. Saban has them max'd out. And Les barely gives him room to breath. Deal with it
To those who honestly think Bama, at best, is even with LSU as a program (I guess, meaning to build a program), there's really nothing else to say. I mean, who can argue with that?
Look at it this way- Oregon has a nice thing going right now. Not as good as LSU, not really, despite the media coverage. And yes, USC is down right now.
But if you would suggest Chip Kelly would leave Oregon, land at USC in a couple years, and win a single title (which is one more than he has at Oregon), AND his successor has the Ducks still playing on a level field with the Trojans:
First off I'd be shocked and impressed with Oregon. Not because they suck, but they're not USC, and they won't be.
Secondly, if you tell me the Oregon fans would whine and cry about the new coach constantly, I would find that hilarious and delusional. Because with USC at a level to contend for national titles, they've owned the Pac 12, and for anyone to hang with them consistantly would be amazing.
Bama is at least as storied as USC. Saban has them max'd out. And Les barely gives him room to breath. Deal with it
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:30 pm to rosiebean
He isn't the same coach, nor is the talent level the same. You don't have a drop off now from 1st to 2nd to 3rd string like you use to. Now the only difference is playing time which during Sabans tenure was not there. They had the drop off in talent early on and then by end of his tenure you no longer had the drop off in talent, you had drop off in play because LSU had a lot of young players.
As far as 2004 season, LSU went 9-3 including bowl game. LSU played 1 less OOC game than we do today. Saban was out coached in Auburn by Tommy Tubberville and the loss vs Iowa was due to bad execution by the players. uGA in 04 completely dominated LSU but at the time the talent level at UGA was higher than what LSU had. Even in 03 UGA had a talent advantage, people forget how good UGA was for a long time (talk about under performing really). LSU was also lucky vs Oregon State as Serna missed what 7 field goals? However, if we give Les a pass for playing down then you would have to give one to Saban right?
As far as 2004 season, LSU went 9-3 including bowl game. LSU played 1 less OOC game than we do today. Saban was out coached in Auburn by Tommy Tubberville and the loss vs Iowa was due to bad execution by the players. uGA in 04 completely dominated LSU but at the time the talent level at UGA was higher than what LSU had. Even in 03 UGA had a talent advantage, people forget how good UGA was for a long time (talk about under performing really). LSU was also lucky vs Oregon State as Serna missed what 7 field goals? However, if we give Les a pass for playing down then you would have to give one to Saban right?
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:33 pm to Lsupimp
I think it comes down to one simple fact. The refs actually called holding penalties against Saban's LSU teams... 
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:40 pm to Lsupimp
False
After decades of crappy coached Saban made LSU a National Champion and set us in course.
Had he stayed we'd have picked up 2-3 more NC by now.
But top 10 year in year out ain't bad.
It's Charlie Mac to Bear Bryant all over again.
After decades of crappy coached Saban made LSU a National Champion and set us in course.
Had he stayed we'd have picked up 2-3 more NC by now.
But top 10 year in year out ain't bad.
It's Charlie Mac to Bear Bryant all over again.
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:47 pm to rosiebean
I don't get the Saban haters.
I went to the shitty 80s games. Five bucks a ticket out front and you couldn't give em away some weeks.
The Auburns INT for TDs meltdown.
Arnsbarger was our best coach since Charlie Mac. He should have been made AD and hired Spurrier
Saban built LSU as a national power.
Yes, he's an arrogant short man wife cheating a-hole. He's also obviously the best coach in college football. LSU had him but damn Miami screwed us out of having a dynasty.
How cool would back to back NCs be?
Even more impressive in a state with two major programs. Louisiana only has LSU.
Miles is a nice guy. I'd like him as a father in law or friend. He's solid but a step behind Saban and always will be.
No way Saban would ever field a team that'd get wiped out like we did in the NC last year. Miles is the buddy and puts up with the bs off the field. We lost a Perriloser season. This was really a Honey Badger lost season. Why don't are guys have discipline? Damn QB showed up stoned to the NC game!!
I went to the shitty 80s games. Five bucks a ticket out front and you couldn't give em away some weeks.
The Auburns INT for TDs meltdown.
Arnsbarger was our best coach since Charlie Mac. He should have been made AD and hired Spurrier
Saban built LSU as a national power.
Yes, he's an arrogant short man wife cheating a-hole. He's also obviously the best coach in college football. LSU had him but damn Miami screwed us out of having a dynasty.
How cool would back to back NCs be?
Even more impressive in a state with two major programs. Louisiana only has LSU.
Miles is a nice guy. I'd like him as a father in law or friend. He's solid but a step behind Saban and always will be.
No way Saban would ever field a team that'd get wiped out like we did in the NC last year. Miles is the buddy and puts up with the bs off the field. We lost a Perriloser season. This was really a Honey Badger lost season. Why don't are guys have discipline? Damn QB showed up stoned to the NC game!!
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:52 pm to wavebreaker
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He's solid but a step behind Saban and always will be
Most coaches are way more than a step behind Saban. We're lucky we have a coach as close as he is.
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No way Saban would ever field a team that'd get wiped out like we did in the NC last year
I've seen Saban get blown out in a BCS game before.
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:54 pm to wavebreaker
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No way Saban would ever field a team that'd get wiped out like we did in the NC last year
You are correct, sir. While at LSU, Saban fielded teams that got burnt by last minute TDs for wins in bowl games!
I don't the Miles haters, but JESUS, I will never, ever get the posters who *forget* how Saban's record at LSU was--outside of 2003--something that would be considered mediocre (at the very least) by today's fans.
Posted on 11/24/12 at 9:55 pm to The312
Again you are all over the place here.
You are not refuting MY points.
You are just building a STRAWMAN and asking me to battle that.
Now as to your last post let me correct an inaccuracy or two. LSU was coming off a 9-3 season, not 9-2. We lost to Auburn, got DESTROYED by UGA and melted down (again) to Iowa.And while we were two years removed from 13-1, we were also 9 months away from a REALLY, REALLY mediocre 9-3 season. If the former is relevant, than surely the latter is too.
In the OP I acknowledge Saban's stellar Alabama record. I'm pretty sure I didn't even mention the words "Les Miles" either. I simply asked that we take an INTELLECTUALLY HONEST stroll down memory lane and recall in a FACTUAL manner, his actual record at LSU. This greatly offends you for some reason.
******Now as for the Iowa game being some kind of outlier, you might want to REVISIT that year. Remember that was YEAR FIVE of the Saban regime. We barely beat Oregon State. We LOST to Auburn in game three. We got absolutely SMOKED by Georgia by FOUR TOUCHDOWNS in game five. We very nearly lost to TROY two weeks later, squeaking by in Tiger Stadium by a field goal. Three weeks after that we squeaked by Ole Miss at home by a field goal. And of course we had the infamous last second melt down against Iowa. Again, this was all in YEAR FIVE. The program was 9-3 and could EASILY have been 7-5. To argue otherwise is simply REVISIONIST HISTORY.******
So again, just acknowledge THE FACTS.
Nick WAS wildly inconsistent at LSU and never got close to the consistency he has achieved at Alabama.
Your pathetic lament about what he might have done has ZERO relevance.
You are not refuting MY points.
You are just building a STRAWMAN and asking me to battle that.
Now as to your last post let me correct an inaccuracy or two. LSU was coming off a 9-3 season, not 9-2. We lost to Auburn, got DESTROYED by UGA and melted down (again) to Iowa.And while we were two years removed from 13-1, we were also 9 months away from a REALLY, REALLY mediocre 9-3 season. If the former is relevant, than surely the latter is too.
In the OP I acknowledge Saban's stellar Alabama record. I'm pretty sure I didn't even mention the words "Les Miles" either. I simply asked that we take an INTELLECTUALLY HONEST stroll down memory lane and recall in a FACTUAL manner, his actual record at LSU. This greatly offends you for some reason.
******Now as for the Iowa game being some kind of outlier, you might want to REVISIT that year. Remember that was YEAR FIVE of the Saban regime. We barely beat Oregon State. We LOST to Auburn in game three. We got absolutely SMOKED by Georgia by FOUR TOUCHDOWNS in game five. We very nearly lost to TROY two weeks later, squeaking by in Tiger Stadium by a field goal. Three weeks after that we squeaked by Ole Miss at home by a field goal. And of course we had the infamous last second melt down against Iowa. Again, this was all in YEAR FIVE. The program was 9-3 and could EASILY have been 7-5. To argue otherwise is simply REVISIONIST HISTORY.******
So again, just acknowledge THE FACTS.
Nick WAS wildly inconsistent at LSU and never got close to the consistency he has achieved at Alabama.
Your pathetic lament about what he might have done has ZERO relevance.
Posted on 11/24/12 at 10:01 pm to Lsupimp
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Nick WAS wildly inconsistent at LSU and never got close to the consistency he has achieved at Alabama.
But the rantards somehow believe...no, not just believe, they *know in their heart of hearts!*...that Saban would have somehow magically turned his inconsistent record at LSU until 2004 into the same consistency he has since shown at Bama...and inconsistent LSU Saban through 2004 would have turned into PowerHouse Saban if he'd stayed at LSU from 2005 and onward. We would have lost five games over the past seven years (at the most). We would have at least three! national championships! And even though that line of thinking is a crock of bullshite, the fact that Les Miles has not met that mythical standard that Saban would have achieved (if only he had stayed at LSU) proves that Miles sucks.
LOL.
It's like arguing with a 2-year-old. Saban now is not the coach he was at LSU. His tenure and ultimate failure in the NFL made him a much, much better college coach than he was at LSU. It's just Bama's luck that they got him after Miami instead of before.
This post was edited on 11/24/12 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 11/24/12 at 10:03 pm to The312
quote:Let the "frickin record" reflect LSU was 3-8 in '99 and 9-3 in '04.
The actual "fricking record" is that Saban took over a program 42 years removed from an NC coming off a 2-9 season, while Miles took over a program coming off a 9-2 record and two years remoived from an NC.
Let it reflect Saban left LSU, and Miles with only 13 commits, or the equivalent of serious NCAA sanctions.
Not quite the rosy future pic you paint.
Also, Pimp's OP stands true, no matter how hard you try to turn this into a present day NLS vs CLM competition.
LSU Saban, with only one year without at least 3 losses had an inferior W-L record to LSU Miles.
Posted on 11/24/12 at 10:04 pm to rosiebean
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But the rantards somehow believe...no, not just believe, they *know in their heart of hearts!*...that Saban would have somehow turned his inconsistent record at LSU until 2004 into the same consistency he has since shown at Bama. We would have lost five games over the past seven years (at the most). We would have at least three! national championships! And even though that line of thinking is a crock of bullshite, the fact that Les Miles has not met that mythical standard that Saban would have achieved (if only he had stayed at LSU) proves that Miles sucks.
Exactly. We are told to DISREGARD his ACTUAL record. And IMAGINE his UNICORN record.
Posted on 11/24/12 at 10:08 pm to Lsupimp
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You are not refuting MY points.
So far as I can tell, you don't have a point, you shrill buffoon. Your posts just consist of a recitation of desultory facts, with no analysis, no structure, no reasoning, and no conclusions.
What, exactly, is the point of your meandering and haphazard traipse through history? Please succintly explain it. One sentence or less. To date I've been left guessing.
Is your point that Miles is a better coach than Saban?
Apparently not, since you concede Saban is a better coach.
Is your point that Miles has had a better tenure at LSU than Saban?
That's ludicrous. As I've pointed out numerous times, Saban won as many SEC titles and NC's in FIVE years with a lesser LSU program than MIles has won in EIGHT years with a more developed program.
IS your point just to midlessly set forth Saban and Miles LSU records as if that vaguely proves something about their comparative worth?
Maybe that's it. But if so, then your attempt fails because - as about one hundred posters have noted in this thread alone - Miles inherited a much better program than Saban. The comparison of raw records with no assessment of CONTEXT is worthless drivel.
What is your point? Say it tersely.
Posted on 11/24/12 at 10:11 pm to Lester Earl
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Rosie you are the reason women shouldn't talk sports in depth. Smdh
Oh, awesome! I've said the same thing others have in this thread, but instead of arguing points (because you'd fail), you just point out that I have a vagina and try to get all "oh, ick, you're a girl and shite!!!" LOL.
Posted on 11/24/12 at 10:13 pm to Lsupimp
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Exactly. We are told to DISREGARD his ACTUAL record. And IMAGINE his UNICORN record.
That's my new favorite term when talking about what "might have been". UNICORN Saban. A total myth.
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