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Relevance of SEC baseball tournament
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:19 pm
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:19 pm
Haven't seen this posted before
SEC baseball tournament statistics
The regionals seem to have validated the stats in the video to a degree
SEC baseball tournament statistics
The regionals seem to have validated the stats in the video to a degree
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:20 pm to TheQuestion
Vandy won it against atm.
Both are done. I don’t think it’s that important
Both are done. I don’t think it’s that important
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:26 pm to Wichita Co Tiger
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I don’t think it’s that important
If you have a national seed locked already it's meaningless. If you're gonna host but don't quite have the top 8 locked it means a little bit but I still wouldn't put too much stock in it because top 8s lose regionals every year.
If you're on the bubble of hosting or making the tourney altogether, then the tourney does mean a lot to you.
I fully expect arguments about the SECT's meaning next year because it's a discussion every year. I still remember in 2013 when LSU and Vandy played in the final and when we won some of our fans still couldn't comprehend why that didn't get us the #1 overall seed over Vandy.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:01 pm to TheQuestion
Yall are overthinking this big time. It's not that important unless you're fighting to host. But let's not pretend like the teams that play in the semis or finals on sat/sun have to pitch anyone important. Mainieri wasn't throwing Lange in a SECT championship game and i doubt Corbin or Schloss threw their best. Vandy/a&m didn't lose in regionals bc they played too deep into the SECT. They lost bc they aren't that good
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:36 pm to Yeti_Chaser
quote:Over the last couple of weeks, there have been quite a few people arguing against your point. That was why I linked the video.
It's not that important unless you're fighting to host
quote:But that's not the whole discussion. It's also about general fatigue of the team and the statistics seem to bear that out. Going longer in the tourney seems to wear teams down for the regionals more often than not
let's not pretend like the teams that play in the semis or finals on sat/sun have to pitch anyone important. Mainieri wasn't throwing Lange in a SECT championship game and i doubt Corbin or Schloss threw their best
quote:The statistics seem to disagree with your conclusion
Vandy/a&m didn't lose in regionals bc they played too deep into the SECT
quote:Both teams had a very respectable season in the toughest conference and then followed that up with a fantastic sec tourney run. To say they "aren't that good" seems silly.
They lost bc they aren't that good
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:45 pm to WaterLink
quote:
f you're on the bubble of hosting or making the tourney altogether, then the tourney does mean a lot to you.
That’s just not true.
Last year Ole Miss was on the bubble to make the NCAA Tournament. Guess what? They went 0-1 in the SEC tournament and still made the NCAA’s.
Auburn was on the bubble last year to host. Guess what? They went 0-1 in the SEC tournament and still hosted.
A few years back, LSU went 13-17 in the SEC. Same as Georgia. We were both on the bubble. We went 0-1 in the SEC tournament, losing to Georgia. Guess what? We made the NCAA tournament and Georgia didn’t.
The SEC tournament is totally and completely meaningless in regards to the NCAA tournament
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:28 pm to TheQuestion
quote:
Relevance of SEC baseball tournament
Completely meaningless and irrelevant
Would love to see the SEC do away with it
Same thing with the SEC FootballChampionship. Get rid of it. It’s completely worthless and irrelevant.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:49 pm to Tammany Tom
So it’s never helped any team ever?
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:53 pm to TackySweater
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TackySweater
Genuinely curious, are you on the spectrum or are you just trying to devils advocate everything?
Posted on 6/7/23 at 12:05 am to TheQuestion
I'm hesitant to reply to a thread started by someone with 4 total posts, but what the hell.
The relevance is money.
The relevance is money.
This post was edited on 6/7/23 at 12:07 am
Posted on 6/7/23 at 5:50 am to TheQuestion
"Some of the most intense fan bases gather to watch Regional Hosts, College World Series Teams and Missouri battle it out."
I laughed at that!
I laughed at that!
Posted on 6/7/23 at 6:51 am to TheQuestion
While i have been one of the champions on this board that the tournament doesnt matter for most teams, i think its important to ask why the guy’s data points start at 2018
Posted on 6/7/23 at 7:02 am to WaterLink
The only time the SEC tournament is really relevant is if you are on the bubble of not making the tournament then if you can put together a really good tournament to get to the finals or win it then its relevant. Otherwise its just a fun tournament to be apart of and get some guys opportunities to get some innings to show you can rely on them in the Regionals and beyond.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 7:40 am to TheQuestion
I mean LSU has won the SECT 12 times and 9 of those times they still ended up in Omaha. Doesn’t that kinda close the argument that the SECT causes fatigue in teams for the postseason?
I always enjoy the SECT. I know technically it means nothing but it’s good to watch and I love winning it tbh.
I always enjoy the SECT. I know technically it means nothing but it’s good to watch and I love winning it tbh.
This post was edited on 6/7/23 at 7:42 am
Posted on 6/7/23 at 8:25 am to Methuselah
quote:
I'm hesitant to reply to a thread started by someone with 4 total posts, but what the hell.
quote:
Methuselah
And you have over 23,000 stupid posts, so why does that make you superior to someone with only four posts?
Posted on 6/7/23 at 8:31 am to TheQuestion
Is it nice to win the SECBT, yes. The goal is to win the big tournament immediately following the SECBT.
On a related note, I think playoff expansion will grow the importance/relevance of the SEC Championship for football. First of all two or three teams will be making the playoffs every year. But most importantly whoever wins the SEC will be getting a buy in the playoffs.
On a related note, I think playoff expansion will grow the importance/relevance of the SEC Championship for football. First of all two or three teams will be making the playoffs every year. But most importantly whoever wins the SEC will be getting a buy in the playoffs.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 9:13 am to Broski
quote:
Genuinely curious, are you on the spectrum or are you just trying to devils advocate everything?
He made a clear a definitive statement that the tournament does not matter at all for bubble teams. Then listed out three examples of how it didn’t matter.
I’m just asking if that’s the only three examples and if it’s never went the other way to help a bubble team.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 10:20 am to TheQuestion
With all of LSU's success in SEC tourney under Maneiri it sure didn't translate to success in Omaha
Outside of 09 natty and 17 runner up finish, the other years were not as kind
Outside of 09 natty and 17 runner up finish, the other years were not as kind
Posted on 6/7/23 at 10:41 am to TackySweater
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I’m just asking if that’s the only three examples
More examples:
2019 Florida 13-17 in SEC play; clearly a bubble team; goes 0-1 in SEC tournament; makes ncaa tournament
2019 Auburn goes 14-16 in SEC play; another bubble team; goes 1-2 in SEC tournament; wins Atlanta regional and makes Super Regionals
There’s plenty examples of SEC teams with losing SEC records, do very poorly in the SEC tournament, and still make the NCAA’s.
Just look at the last two SEC Tournament Champions to clearly demonstrate there is no benefit or positive momentum gained by winning. Tennessee breezes through the SEC Tournament last year and lost in the Supers. Vandy wins this years tournament and gets ousted in their regional.
All the SEC tournament does is wear out pitching arms if you go far in it.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 3:57 pm to Tammany Tom
But maybe it’s helped a bubble team get in at some point.
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