re: questions for anti O's negatards? LSU Coach Fedora?

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I still don't understand how you guys look at things so broadly. Hiring Fleck would have been saying "LSU is trending downwards as a program , we need a new staff, a new vision, a new foundation for the program." So, by default, he does get more time to reshape LSU into his image, and I guarantee everyone would give him time to do that. At least 3 years.

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Correct. Also, because in Fleck's previous 3 seasons he had not gone 10-25 as a head coach. anyone suggesting we just "give" Orgeron that kind of rope is pretending they have no idea what he did with the last 3 years he was given by a Power 5 program.

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Hiring O was saying, as you clearly said above "he was already here," "Les Miles is a problem, we are a fringe championship team, and Les is holding us back. If we remove Les, and allow someone who doesn't meddle to come in and recruit well, we can compete immediately." The thought was O's 6-2 interim stint was proof that Les was a problem, and that O could be successful right now and this wasn't a rebuild.

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And it's basically what he said when he took the job...only to start spinning with the losses to State and Troy. Now...we're a rebuild.

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Hiring Fleck, Fedora, Fuente, Kelly, and hiring O are different things.

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obviously...but good luck explaining that here.

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the Fleck hire also but he probably would have had more of a learning curve than o

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He’s been a head coach longer than Orgeron for fricks sake

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He’s been a head coach longer than Orgeron for fricks sake

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and more sucessful like fuente and others. O was bottom of the barrel hire. F U JOE ALLEVA u spineless POS

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Despite having what amounted to over a year to create a list and vet every potential football coach in America, we had two guys on the white board and the third was our very own DL coach and his 10-25 career coaching record.

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If I ever see Charlie Strong in person, I'm going to deck him.

If he hadn't lost that last game at Texas in 2016, he would've gotten another year in Austin AND most impotantly, Tom Herman would be our HC now. (Most likely with Aranda as DC and O as DL Coach)

That's a massively better option than what's here now.

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all that we were left with were stretchs. He was already here and already had a tryout for the job, so we knew what his floor was and a little about what we were getting.

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The LSU job isn't an audition. And we clearly didn't know where his floor was. It's a lot lower than we imagined it to be.

When I saw the thread title I knew this was going to end well.

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He and Fleck seemed next up on our board as far as realistic candidates that may have actually taken the job. Fleck was probably to young and much of a stretch at that time.

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Well, if the AD had actually conducted a coaching search maybe a better candidate would have been found. Actually, Fleck or Fedora are considered candidates due to fan speculation. Alleva talked to Hermann, maybe Jimbo and O, that's it. It's not the fans job to figure out who should have been hired, the AD should have done his job. Instead, we got one of the most horrible hires in LSU sports history. Really, it's indefensible. You can make an argument for saying O is the guy so it's better to support him. You can't make an argument that the search was conducted in any reasonable way or that fans should not be upset over the process and the results so far.

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then who were they?

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Do you have any idea how many fricking times I've answered this question over the past 12 months? And every time, it's ignored.

Here's the short version to save me the time of typing it and you the time of utterly ignoring it.

Orgeron's career head coaching record as a full time head coach was 10-25. Essentially ANY full time head coach whose record was BETTER than that would be ahead of him on the whiteboard wish list going from some poor fricker who was 11-25 all the way up to Nick Saban.

Somewhere between 11-25 and Nick Saban our resources, players, money, etc would lure a viable candidate to Baton Rouge. And the gap between 10-25 and Nick Saban was fricking VAST.

To say we settled in the understatement of this century. We replaced a coach who won a national title who had replaced a coach who won a national title with a DL coach whose head coaching record was 10-25. and anyone who suggests there were NO alternatives after Jimbo and Herman but Orgeron and his 10-25 is either too stupid to converse with or simply being disingenuous.

Which are you?

All you’re doing is keeping the negativity coming with this pointless bait thread. No other purpose at all other than to stir the pot and then bitch about the responses later.

frick You.

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BilJ

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Honestly...in all seriousness...whether or not you CURRENTLY think it does no good to point it out, how can anyone legitimately suggest that over the few years leading up to Les Miles being fired what LSU fans were ACTUALLY clamoring for was a man with a career 10-25 head coaching record to replace him?

I really do hate being the guy who says "but he talks like us" but what other reason could there be for why LSU fans have seemingly all gotten stupid about what our expectations were for replacing a coach as successful as our previous one? If his name was Tom Smith from Idaho who had a career record of 10-25 but had a couple of mediocre stints as an interim somewhere and our AD had tried to foist him on us we'd have rightly burned down the Football Offices. But since he's from Larose we've got a good portion of the fan base circling the wagons and suggesting pointing out his obvious flaws makes you suspect.