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Pass First Risk
Posted on 7/19/18 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 7/19/18 at 8:59 pm
Coach O says 50-50 pass-run mix, yet the receiver talent and depth means it could be (effectively) a pass-first offense.
If so, the TAMU-Sumlin experience needs to be kept top of mind. TAMU lacked physicality in the run game, so moving the chains against the tough D's kept their pass success O from being good enough.
Yet OU has a great ability to integrate a pass-heavy O and maintain a physical running attack.
I think Curry (and Ducre)are the big physical move-the-chains backs we have to make those all important short-yardage first downs.
Ok...just bantering, i suppose.
But what are ya'lls thoughts on being more like OU than TAMU?
If so, the TAMU-Sumlin experience needs to be kept top of mind. TAMU lacked physicality in the run game, so moving the chains against the tough D's kept their pass success O from being good enough.
Yet OU has a great ability to integrate a pass-heavy O and maintain a physical running attack.
I think Curry (and Ducre)are the big physical move-the-chains backs we have to make those all important short-yardage first downs.
Ok...just bantering, i suppose.
But what are ya'lls thoughts on being more like OU than TAMU?
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Posted on 7/19/18 at 9:04 pm to TigerBert
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But what are ya'lls thoughts on being more like OU than TAMU
That goes without saying.
One is a successful program and the other is aTm.
You MUST have a running game in the SEC to succeed.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 9:06 pm to LSUcajun77
Curry is a must to play a big role. Agreed?
Posted on 7/19/18 at 9:07 pm to TigerBert
I think we're gonna have to see how CEH can do between the tackles with those tree trunks that he has for legs before making a definitive declaration on Curry.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 9:08 pm to TigerBert
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Curry is a must to play a big role. Agreed?
I like what I’m hearing about Curry, but we’ll have to wait to see when the pads are on.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 9:20 pm to TigerBert
We have very little experience at WR so I wouldn’t say that we are anywhere close to a pass first offense. The most experienced guys aren’t even being mentioned as starters.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 9:28 pm to Clark W Griswold
Agree.
Giles is as experienced as they come, after that it’s up in the air.
Plenty to choose from though.
Hopefully these Freshmen can blow up.
1 Ja'Marr Chase WR Fr.
6 Terrace Marshall Jr. WR Fr.
7 Jonathan GilesHear WR Jr.
10 Stephen Sullivan WR Jr.
11 Dee Anderson WR Jr.
14 Drake Davis WR Jr.
16 Tiger ScheydHear WR Sr.
17 Racey McMath WR So.
19 Derrick Dillon WR Jr.
24 Colby Brunet WR So.
30 Michael Ostrom WR Jr.
31 Justin Jones WR So.
35 Wesley McKoy WR Jr.
38 Keith Fulton WR So.
82 Kenan Jones WR Fr.
83 Jaray Jenkins WR Fr.
85 Justin Jefferson WR So.
89 Derian Moore WR So.
Giles is as experienced as they come, after that it’s up in the air.
Plenty to choose from though.
Hopefully these Freshmen can blow up.
1 Ja'Marr Chase WR Fr.
6 Terrace Marshall Jr. WR Fr.
7 Jonathan GilesHear WR Jr.
10 Stephen Sullivan WR Jr.
11 Dee Anderson WR Jr.
14 Drake Davis WR Jr.
16 Tiger ScheydHear WR Sr.
17 Racey McMath WR So.
19 Derrick Dillon WR Jr.
24 Colby Brunet WR So.
30 Michael Ostrom WR Jr.
31 Justin Jones WR So.
35 Wesley McKoy WR Jr.
38 Keith Fulton WR So.
82 Kenan Jones WR Fr.
83 Jaray Jenkins WR Fr.
85 Justin Jefferson WR So.
89 Derian Moore WR So.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 10:17 pm to TigerBert
Well, that ratio is just a starting point. It can take a whole other dimension past that...
Are those passes long hand offs?
Are you sprinkling in enough passes on run downs and runs on pass downs?
From what formation (I'm a believer in the formation and the play being contrary, e.g. run with 4 wide, 4 in routes from 2 TE or bunch set) are you doing each from?
Are the passes dependent on the play called or on reads (by BOTH the QB and WR)? E.g., stiff arse TAMU DB is 12 yds off and S is playing centerfield... do you as the WR audible to a hitch (which turns into a hitch-n-go later). Or do you run the play as called in from the sideline. That's going to affect the number of passes you throw on a series.
And if you have a running QB, a true dual-threat, which we won't this year, that ratio means nothing to me.
In the end the goal should be to get the ball in the hands of your playmakers by a method the defense is not ready for (just one of those isn't good enough a la Fournette vs. Bama) and the space will make itself. If you do that, then the run:pass ratio is simply a measure of which playmaker the opponent fears the most.
Are those passes long hand offs?
Are you sprinkling in enough passes on run downs and runs on pass downs?
From what formation (I'm a believer in the formation and the play being contrary, e.g. run with 4 wide, 4 in routes from 2 TE or bunch set) are you doing each from?
Are the passes dependent on the play called or on reads (by BOTH the QB and WR)? E.g., stiff arse TAMU DB is 12 yds off and S is playing centerfield... do you as the WR audible to a hitch (which turns into a hitch-n-go later). Or do you run the play as called in from the sideline. That's going to affect the number of passes you throw on a series.
And if you have a running QB, a true dual-threat, which we won't this year, that ratio means nothing to me.
In the end the goal should be to get the ball in the hands of your playmakers by a method the defense is not ready for (just one of those isn't good enough a la Fournette vs. Bama) and the space will make itself. If you do that, then the run:pass ratio is simply a measure of which playmaker the opponent fears the most.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 11:58 pm to I20goon
Burrow is actually a better runner than most think. Etling got out of some bad situations and extended plays even though he wasnt "mobile"... Burrow imo has the better legs AND can throw deep
Posted on 7/22/18 at 12:56 am to 7Tiger7
Agreed on Burrow being a better runner than Etling. If Etling could have had accuracy on all those missed, he might have gotten drafted by the Patriots or something. Wait a minute...
Anyway, CEH and Curry, with the FB and Burrow, might be fairly formidable for a run game.
Anyway, CEH and Curry, with the FB and Burrow, might be fairly formidable for a run game.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 12:58 am to TigerBert
By halftime of the Miami game the Rant will be bitching about our high risk offense.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 1:01 am to TigerBert
Yep, Oklahoma and Clemson are 2 very good benchmarks. Hopefully O and Ensminger are doing their homework.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 8:09 am to I20goon
Think similarly, the 50-50 isn't important if you're scheming/gameplanning for your opponent's weaknesses. Like the saying goes, take what the defense gives you and burrow seems to be that type of qb. Hopefully SE puts the offense in good situations on down and distances and if so we'll be ok.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 8:17 am to jgriffith
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Yep, Oklahoma and Clemson are 2 very good benchmarks
Both ran the ball 55% of the time last year. That’s probably a more realistic goal than 50/50 split
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