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Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:05 pm
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Despite his brief stint, Simmons said that there were plenty of benefits to student life. "I loved being at LSU, meeting all those people, and I made a lot of friends. The coaches out there were great to me," he said. "But just the system of the NCAA, that's the hardest part to get around."
This post was edited on 4/9/18 at 12:06 pm
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Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:10 pm to AlecRock23
I mean... he's right.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:11 pm to AlecRock23
Simmons complaints about the "system" will always ring hollow to me. He was a voluntary participant.
He could have stayed in Australia and went to the NBA straight out of high school. He chose to relocate to Montverde, thus requiring the year between high school and the NBA.
He could have stayed in Australia and went to the NBA straight out of high school. He chose to relocate to Montverde, thus requiring the year between high school and the NBA.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:16 pm to ProjectP2294
I think the point is that a lot of people act like all he did was shite all over LSU and didn’t have 1 good thing to say about it.
Which clearly isn’t the case.
Which clearly isn’t the case.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:17 pm to ProjectP2294
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He could have stayed in Australia and went to the NBA straight out of high school. He chose to relocate to Montverde, thus requiring the year between high school and the NBA.
But chances would be pretty slim he would have been in the #1 overall pick. It's extremely hard to be overseas and be selected #1 overall, only has happened twice in history of NBA...and both those picks (Ming, Bargnani) didn't exactly have long NBA careers too. So there's a bit of a stigma attached there.
Simmons came over here for to try and secure the #1 pick, which he did, but he had to do it under the current system in place, which is a joke to make kids go to college for only 1 year if in the U.S. It's not even going for education at all at that point.
If Simmons elected to stay in Australia, he might have not been selected till the 3rd or 4th pick, and surrendered several million over his 1st contract. The #4 pick made $4.5M his first year and $4.7M his second year. Simmons made $6.2M his first year and $6.4M his second year.
That's $9.2M for the #4 pick and $12.6M for Simmons, so Simmons has made $3.4M more than the #4 pick his first 2 years in the league. That will approach more like $10M more after his 4th season.
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Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:20 pm to thunderbird1100
Staying in Australia would have been a waste of time. He needed adequate competition and his choices were the Spanish League or the US high school plus college route. The Spanish League isn’t thrilled about developing players for the NBA, so the US route was probably best long term for him basketball wise.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:20 pm to ProjectP2294
quote:correct. Stay in Australia and go straight to the NBA or come to the US and have to wait a year.
Simmons complaints about the "system" will always ring hollow to me. He was a voluntary participant.
He could have stayed in Australia and went to the NBA straight out of high school. He chose to relocate to Montverde, thus requiring the year between high school and the NBA.
He also could've played international pro ball for 1 year after high school.
It was his choice.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:21 pm to thunderbird1100
He moved to the US for exposure and he got plenty of it. Could things have gone better? Absolutely, but he accomplished what he wanted in the end
Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:23 pm to thunderbird1100
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But chances would be pretty slim he would have been in the #1 overall pick. It's extremely hard to be overseas and be selected #1 overall, only has happened twice in history of NBA...and both those picks (Ming, Bargnani) didn't exactly have long NBA careers too. So there's a bit of a stigma attached there.
Simmons came over here for to try and secure the #1 pick, which he did, but he had to do it under the current system in place, which is a joke to make kids go to college for only 1 year. It's not even going for education at all at that point.
So he chose to go for being the number one pick knowing the hoops he would have to jump through ahead of time and now he wants to complain about the hoops? Sorry. He had an option.
He also wasn't forced to go to school. He was only forced to wait a year to be drafted. And that wasn't forced on him by the NCAA. It was forced on him by the NBA and the NBAPA.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:26 pm to SammyTiger
actions speak louder than words! BS cared only about BS
Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:27 pm to bugafor6
Yes and LSU got much needed exposure for the B.B. program.
My take on this is that LSU fans are taking his comments way too personally.
I think he would have the same comments about any school he went to.
NBA should go to 2 years of college or an age limit.
It would be better for all parties.
My take on this is that LSU fans are taking his comments way too personally.
I think he would have the same comments about any school he went to.
NBA should go to 2 years of college or an age limit.
It would be better for all parties.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:29 pm to ProjectP2294
quote:
So he chose to go for being the number one pick knowing the hoops he would have to jump through ahead of time and now he wants to complain about the hoops? Sorry
He's saying the system is broken, which it is. It should be plainly obvious. When you say you can be drafted after 6-7 months in college, something is wrong. It's not about academics at all anymore and schools like Kentucky, Duke, etc...are basically 6 month NBA minor league systems.
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He had an option.
Yes he did, and he obviously chose the much better one to secure his money. He built up exposure, and development much better here than he ever would have in Australia or overseas playing against much better/more athletic competition here and more NBA style of play. And no, this isnt saying Johnny developed him, he was in development playing against guys who also would be going pro and other talented/athletic college players. That's the exposure he needed to secure the #1 pick. If he had chosen to stay overseas, again, very good chance he may fall to the 3rd or 4th overall pick with several questions surrounding how well would he play against better competition.
So yes, he chose the option to secure the most money possible for himself, which any smart human being would do.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:37 pm to thunderbird1100
quote:
He's saying the system is broken, which it is. It should be plainly obvious. When you say you can be drafted after 6-7 months in college, something is wrong. It's not about academics at all anymore and schools like Kentucky, Duke, etc...are basically 6 month NBA minor league systems.
It doesn't matter. He could have opted out. Anthony Davis can complain about it. He didn't have a chance to go to the NBA straight from high school. He was forced into the broken system.
Simmons chose his path knowing exactly what it entailed. If I choose to take the longest route home from work today even though there are quicker options, I don't get to complain about how late I get home.
And Simmons continues to rail against the NCAA, when it's his employer and his trade association that set the rules the way they are. Why doesn't he go after them?
Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:47 pm to Rohan Gravy
quote:
NBA should go to 2 years of college or an age limit.
It would be better for all parties.
They need to change it to G-League for a year then NBA OR NCAA until 21 with the option to go into G-League until your 21 if you choose that route. Anything less than 21 really doesn't make sense to me personally, but I guess they could make it easier and do 20 instead. The eligibility rules for 1 and done allow the Student Athlete to be eligible even if they have never attended 1 class all year, that is definitely not a student. To compete in your second year you need a 1.8 gpa with 18 hours completed, at least at that point you are an student, but barely.
I don't think college is for everyone, that is why I want to see the NBA open up the G-league to for athletes straight from high-school. It would also likely increase the competition and attendance to G-League games.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:57 pm to Broski
quote:
I mean... he's right.
Is he? What "system of the NCAA" is he referring to?
Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:59 pm to thunderbird1100
quote:
Simmons came over here for to try and secure the #1 pick, which he did, but he had to do it under the current system in place, which is a joke to make kids go to college for only 1 year if in the U.S.
That's an NBA rule...not an NCAA rule.
quote:
That's $9.2M for the #4 pick and $12.6M for Simmons, so Simmons has made $3.4M more than the #4 pick his first 2 years in the league. That will approach more like $10M more after his 4th season.
So, you are saying that playing in college benefitted him?
Posted on 4/9/18 at 1:07 pm to Stuckinthe90s
Makes sense to me.
I don’t know the ins and outs and not a big NBA fan anymore.
But I will say Ben is a special talent. I love his game. He does spectacular stuff and makes it look common place.
As an LSU fan, I’m glad he came here.
I don’t know the ins and outs and not a big NBA fan anymore.
But I will say Ben is a special talent. I love his game. He does spectacular stuff and makes it look common place.
As an LSU fan, I’m glad he came here.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 1:07 pm to moneyg
quote:
Is he? What "system of the NCAA" is he referring to?
Very clearly he's referring to the idea that the NCAA claims to be about education, yet the one and done rule allows for kids to stop going to class once they finish their first Fall semester.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 1:22 pm to jpcajun
Which is why he was such a selfish player. Clearly cared more about assists that the best player taking the shot.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 1:28 pm to ProjectP2294
quote:
. Anthony Davis can complain about it. He didn't have a chance to go to the NBA straight from high school. He was forced into the broken system.
So, your argument is that since not every one-and-done first overall pick is complaining about it, then it's not a problem?
Remind me of this next time you bitch about something on here.
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