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re: Oline struggles still don't make sense.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 7:50 am to memphis tiger
Posted on 9/26/17 at 7:50 am to memphis tiger
quote:{see if I can remember my numbers from a previous post correctly}
I don't understand why we think last year's o line was great.
They got pushed around and were terrible in big games last year. And I do t remember the last time we had a line that was consistently good at pass blocking.
Last year LSU played 3 of the top-25 rush defenses: Wisc, Bama, and Louisville. In those 3 games we avgd 4.3, 1.2, 4.3 ypc. 4.3 (our best against top D) was good for about a 69th ranking nationally. That's with 2 RBs with size that can break (and did) long one's, skewing them anymore. In fact, if you look at games where Fournette or Guice did not have +20 yd runs, the averages were indeed low.
How about the red zone scoring? We all witnessed, at times, the ability to punch it in. That hasn't gone away.
So yes, struggled against tough D's (to be expected). And that's just run blocking; we all know we struggle with pass blocking more. Not horrible, but definitely not great.
My point(s) are, we've seen hints of this. The trajectory was there all along. And the drop-off isn't as big as one might suspect. Still a drop off, but down a hill... not off a cliff.
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 8:42 am to SouthernInsanity
The o-line is not built for the gimmicky, motion pre-snap offense Canada is trying to employ. He has to recruit athletic lineman to fit into that scheme. LSU is built for a power running game with a fullback leading the way. As soon as Orgeron realizes what LSU football was buit on,,,,the faster we get back to being maulers again.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 8:47 am to TigerBaitTx
Malone be bad
Posted on 9/26/17 at 8:50 am to TigerBaitTx
4 or 5 guys missing in a rotation is huge. We are simply understaffed.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 8:55 am to TigerBaitTx
quote:
They wouldn't look near about as bad as individuals if they were playing as a unit. The oft heard "gel". I don't think great, but much better.
Yep
Posted on 9/26/17 at 8:57 am to LSUAlumnus2001
quote:do you know why he left? Nope.
It sure as hell wasn't Orgeron's fault either! How about we be honest and say it was Teheuma's fault. These players have to carry the burden of responsibility too
Here it is why it is the current coaches fault.
As a head coach you have to keep up with how your players are doing both on and off of the field especially if you know they are key contributors to key positions.
Wth do you think a head coach is responsible for? He wasn't a drug case. This was academics. Paying attention in the spring and last fall fixes it during the summer.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:09 am to tduecen
The two times we scored quickly with both Etling and Brennan, the offense seemed fine. The dancing around is when I was cringing sitting at the stadium. I hope it's the two minute drill every time.
State and Syracuse scored a ton very easily on us! People talk so much about the offense and forget the fact that our D is equally bad if not worse. I hope the young guns learn fast.
State and Syracuse scored a ton very easily on us! People talk so much about the offense and forget the fact that our D is equally bad if not worse. I hope the young guns learn fast.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:09 am to Murtown
quote:
Malone be bad
Which begs the question... why not see what Deculus can do?
Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:13 am to S
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Miles/Grimes/Stud poor recruiting, square pegs in round holes, no development, poor coaching, scheme doesn't fit. Actually makes a ton of sense.
O keeping Grimes makes no sense.
LSU hiring O makes no sense.
Alleva having a job makes no sense.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:21 am to Sackdogg
quote:Blaming Grimes is covered extensively in about 10 other threads,
I haven't seen yet in this thread that needs to be mentioned. OL Coach Grimes SUCKS
along with 10 threads blaming Miles,
10 threads blaming Moffit,
10 threads blaming talent,
10 threads blaming depth(when they fail for 1st 5 drives)
and probably 10 threads blaming whatever other deflection can be conjured.
Let's ignore scheme, the actual major change made to the offense, and shite on eveyone else.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:39 am to I20goon
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Last year LSU played 3 of the top-25 rush defenses: Wisc, Bama, and Louisville. In those 3 games we avgd 4.3, 1.2, 4.3 ypc. 4.3 (our best against top D) was good for about a 69th ranking nationally. That's with 2 RBs with size that can break (and did) long one's, skewing them anymore. In fact, if you look at games where Fournette or Guice did not have +20 yd runs, the averages were indeed low.
How about the red zone scoring? We all witnessed, at times, the ability to punch it in. That hasn't gone away.
So yes, struggled against tough D's (to be expected). And that's just run blocking; we all know we struggle with pass blocking more. Not horrible, but definitely not great.
My point(s) are, we've seen hints of this. The trajectory was there all along. And the drop-off isn't as big as one might suspect. Still a drop off, but down a hill... not off a cliff.
So let me get this straight...
If you look at only our toughest games, we were average (keep in mind you are comparing our toughest games to everyone else as a whole, weak comp included) which is stupid.
Then if you take away our long runs (which were a product of the system), our YPC goes down?
Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:48 am to I20goon
quote:And this is where LSU stands today.
In fact, if you look at games where Fournette or Guice did not have +20 yd runs, the averages were indeed low.
A good many of those long runs were TDs which are sometimes helpful.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:53 am to Mayhawman
We have the wrong typr o linemen for canada system. Canada system works better with bigger stronger more athletic types like bama has
Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:55 am to TGK4LSU
quote:
We have only 9 scholarship o-linemen. Most schools have 15-18.
but how many punters and fullbacks do we have......waaay more than other D-1 schools
there lies the inequities
Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:56 am to TigerBaitTx
Frankly, the biggest issue is the loss of Ethan Pocic. Was he overpowered on occasion? Sure, but he did a great job of recognizing and communicating protections. I'm afraid Will just isn't as good at that part of the game.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:01 am to lsu1919
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The o line narrative didn't start till Monday after the state loss. Certain BR media folks are screaming it all day and every day and it's being parroted. That's it.
That's because people who don't know much don't notice O line problems and just jump on QB, receivers, coaches, first.
Against Syracuse our Oline was melting even mid game.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:01 am to TigerBaitTx
Yea they are starters, starting guards, not tackles. even with Tuhema we had zero tackles.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:10 am to SportTiger1
quote:The idea is to see how we do against stiff competition- Yes. If the goal was to finish 3rd in the West, I'd look at how we played against Arky. The goal is to win the West, so to know where we stand have to examine competition of equitable teams.
So let me get this straight...
If you look at only our toughest games, we were average (keep in mind you are comparing our toughest games to everyone else as a whole, weak comp included) which is stupid.
Then if you take away our long runs (which were a product of the system), our YPC goes down?
And like I said, except for Bama, it ain't garbage. But it ain't where we want it to be, or where we think it was.
The YPC avg that everybody uses to say "we had the #2 OL in 2016" are skewed by long runs against lower tier opponents, and Auburn. When Guice avg's 19 ypc and Chark 35 ypc vs Auburn you can't say that basis isn't skewed.
And that's all I'm pointing out, against people we need to beat to get where we want to go the performance isn't there. And to say the OL was good because our YPC over a year was high is misleading.
Sorry it doesn't fit the narrative you want of "Orgeron destroyed the world". DWI.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:11 am to boxcar willie
quote:
We have the wrong typr o linemen for canada system. Canada system works better with bigger stronger more athletic types like bama has
No way! Whodathunkit?
Must be the only one.
Wait, a few months ago his selling point was Canada scheming his offense around personnel available?
Goalpost on wheels again.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:17 am to jembeurt
Could Deculas be our best option at RG for now?
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