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Posted on 8/2/08 at 12:08 pm to geauxbrown
quote:True enough but is tee martin better than peyton manning? Is Trent Dilfer better than Dan Marino? Is Matt Mauck better than Bert Jones?
I often hear and see how professional athletes who fail to win the "big one" have somewhat of a tarnished legacy.
I don't get why some can't seem to objectively look at two players and compare their individual abilities outside of what the team accomplished. In every measure Russell is/was the superior quarterback; Pitt beating WV shouldn't factor into the discussion.
Posted on 8/2/08 at 12:16 pm to uway
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He was without a doubt one of the greatest college football talents EVER. Now, what did he do with that talent as a collegian?
he was the best QB in CFB in his final season
that's not enough?
Posted on 8/2/08 at 12:18 pm to geauxbrown
quote:
But isn't the ultimate goal to win a Championship? I
for a team, yes
team stats shouldn't be used to judge players
quote:
I often hear and see how professional athletes who fail to win the "big one" have somewhat of a tarnished legacy.
and they're idiots
these people's criteria makes trent dilfer a better QB than dan marino
Posted on 8/2/08 at 12:28 pm to TulaneTigerFan
quote:
it's all coming from roygu. he's taken over as king ranter
You are typical of "The Greatest" crowd. You can't make your case so call names.
Cheer up, practice starts next week and you guys can start comparing our new quarterbacks to JR.
I would rather compare them to champions but that's just me.
I'm not interested in who can run the fastest or throw the ball the longest distance, I'm interested in another LSU crystal trophy. Whomever of Lee, Hatch, Jordan, or Shepherd that can earn that trophy will be my next QB hero.
Posted on 8/2/08 at 12:38 pm to roygu
quote:Just so we're clear, Bert Jones couldn't carry Matt Mauck's jock strap, correct?
I'm not interested in who can run the fastest or throw the ball the longest distance, I'm interested in another LSU crystal trophy. Whomever of Lee, Hatch, Jordan, or Shepherd that can earn that trophy will be my next QB hero.
Posted on 8/2/08 at 12:53 pm to geauxjo
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Are we talking greatest QB's or championship TEAMS?...plenty of decent QB's have had championship teams....don't get me wrong, I'll take a championship any day over a great QB, but the list goes on and on of great QB's who never won a championship in college. Exactly who IS the greatest QB to play at LSU? When that question is asked, people go back to the stats for the answers. Hodson, Jones, etc. are some of the replies, but those guys never won a NC. Flynn and Mauck never come up in those questions. Yet when who is the greater QB, Flynn or JR is asked, many point to the NC and say Flynn. It's pretty obvious when you're objective that JR was the better QB...2 coaching staffs, amazing stats, and the NFL draft proves that. Now give me the crystal any day, but head to head as a QB, there's really no comparison.
Signed- Dan Marino, John Elway, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Doug Flutie etc...
Best NC LSU QB: Warren Rabb 58
Best Overall QB: The Great JR/Bert Jones tie
Posted on 8/2/08 at 12:54 pm to roygu
quote:
Cheer up, practice starts next week and you guys can start comparing our new quarterbacks to JR.
I would rather compare them to champions but that's just me.
so historically, you'd rather compare a QB to trent dilfer than dan marino?
quote:
I'm not interested in who can run the fastest or throw the ball the longest distance, I'm interested in another LSU crystal trophy.
wins = function of TEAM
you don't judge an individual based on the collection of teammates around him
Posted on 8/2/08 at 1:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Why stop at quarterback? Is Jacob Hester better than Kevin Faulk? Is Carnell Stewart better than Alan Faneca?
wins = function of TEAM
you don't judge an individual based on the collection of teammates around him
Posted on 8/2/08 at 1:11 pm to roygu
quote:
You are typical of "The Greatest" crowd. You can't make your case so call names.
no, the case has been made time and time again but people like you are either too stupid or too biased (racism) to be able to look at facts and actual on the field performance and come to the only logical conclusion
Posted on 8/2/08 at 1:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
ETA *
This post was edited on 8/2/08 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 8/2/08 at 1:17 pm to drexyl
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Why stop at quarterback? Is Jacob Hester better than Kevin Faulk? Is Carnell Stewart better than Alan Faneca?
why stop there?
2003 Laron Landry > 2006 Laron Landry
Posted on 8/2/08 at 1:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:True - he actually regressed as a player from his freshman to his senior year; brother was lucky to get drafted.
2003 Laron Landry > 2006 Laron Landry
Posted on 8/2/08 at 1:27 pm to drexyl
luke sanders > trev faulk
Posted on 8/2/08 at 1:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
But isn't the ultimate goal to win a Championship? I
for a team, yes
team stats shouldn't be used to judge players
Agreed, but the bottom line is we'll be debating this every year till the end of time simply based on the fact that two very mediocre talent wise QB's on either side of him helped LSU win NC's.
Not aiming this at you but it almost seems like JR has a club of apologist who feel the need to argue over every bad receiver, bad call, or bad OC that he encountered while he was here.
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and they're idiots
these people's criteria makes trent dilfer a better QB than dan marino
I agree with this also but that still doesn't change the fact that individuals in team athletic sports are judged on whether they won the big one or not. This is even tougher for QB's as they're considered team leaders who motivate those around them to go the extra mile.
Posted on 8/2/08 at 1:29 pm to geauxbrown
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individuals in team athletic sports are judged on whether they won the big one or not
only by ignorant people
Posted on 8/2/08 at 1:29 pm to latiger09
quote:
Old JaMarcus
luke sanders > trev faulk
Mark May>>>>>>Lou Holtz
Posted on 8/2/08 at 1:31 pm to geauxbrown
quote:I don't think you get it.
Mark May>>>>>>Lou Holtz
Posted on 8/2/08 at 1:32 pm to latiger09
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only by ignorant people
Ignorant or not, those folks seem to be the ones that write the checks. Obviously Al Davis saw JR's talent for more than just being a part of a NC team. However, if he doesn't "just win baby" he'll be looking for another job. And no, I don't think Al Davis is an idiot, I'd say he's done fairly well for himself.
Posted on 8/2/08 at 1:33 pm to drexyl
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I don't think you get it.
It was bad sarcasm. You gonna make it to USC game? I'm down at Edgefield.
This post was edited on 8/2/08 at 1:34 pm
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