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re: Old JaMarcus

Posted on 8/3/08 at 2:22 pm to
Posted by Choupique19
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Posted on 8/3/08 at 2:22 pm to
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But do you really want us to go back and find ALL of the dumb mistakes Flynn that made last season?


I'm haven't argued the Flynn/JR debate. I agree that JR is better. I got involved in this thread arguing that Jamarcus was not the best QB in LSU history. I'll give you one great year in 2006, but his career was not as good as other LSU QB greats. Don't give me #1 pick stuff, that's based off of pro potential. There are numerous pro draft busts talked about every year, (and I'm not hoping that JR busts) but the pro draft doesn't add to LSU accomplishments.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 8/3/08 at 2:25 pm to
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but the safety is going to lay him out and probably send the ball into the stands.


nelson was coming in too short of where the ball was thrown. The hit wouldn't have been nearly as hard if Lafell wasn't coming down like he did. He wouldn't have had to jump like that if he just kept running.

Nelson would have been underneath the play if lafell reads it right. it was a young receiver making a mistake and it definitely was not a bad decision
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 8/3/08 at 2:27 pm to
Here is the video of the full play

It's really early in the video
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
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Posted on 8/3/08 at 3:07 pm to
Thanks for a good shot of the play. But I still know that Nelson would have adjusted to Lafell, no matter when he jumped and still hit him hard. But the point still is, whether we argue about that one play or not, that Jamarcus did not always throw the ball in the right places. Many times his great college wide receivers bailed him out. Even on one of his greatest highlight plays, the 2 spins and throw it 60 yards down field against Ole Miss, Craig Davis outjumped two Ole Miss defenders.

Even though he did a great job at LSU, he still has a ways to go to fulfill his potential and make a great QB (NFL).
This post was edited on 8/3/08 at 3:09 pm
Posted by RepublicGold
Member since Aug 2007
2560 posts
Posted on 8/3/08 at 3:13 pm to
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JR is talented, unfortunately winning championships did not occur under his tenure as a starter.


Peachtree with an in depth analysis...
Posted by latiger09
Member since Jun 2005
7226 posts
Posted on 8/3/08 at 3:32 pm to
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80% Jamarcus < 100% Flynn


so im curious, what is jamarcus' health% when he has a concussion? i would consider that less than 80% in most cases, yet he proved in the tennessee game in '06 that him playing with a concussion was vastly superior to flynn being 100% healthy.
Posted by greensborotiger
Member since Jun 2008
126 posts
Posted on 8/3/08 at 3:34 pm to
Hell, T-martin won the year after mrs. manning.Thats because it takes a little luck, no doubt in MY mind he was great, and so many last second wins just sealed the deal!
Posted by greensborotiger
Member since Jun 2008
126 posts
Posted on 8/3/08 at 3:36 pm to
Russell= Flynn.....just stupid
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
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Posted on 8/3/08 at 3:44 pm to
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yet he proved in the tennessee game in '06 that him playing with a concussion was vastly superior to flynn being 100% healthy.


Jamarcus threw 3 picks (one was an end over end pick 6), fumbled once (we recovered), fumbled another time but we got a fortunate whistle so that we retained the ball on our game winning drive.... but because we won in the last seconds of the game then Jamarcus must have had a great game. That game was an example of us winning late when Jamarcus put us in a hole early.

LSU/TN 2006

By the way, Flynn had some very good games at LSU when healthy (Miami, V Tech, Ohio St)
This post was edited on 8/3/08 at 3:45 pm
Posted by greensborotiger
Member since Jun 2008
126 posts
Posted on 8/3/08 at 4:04 pm to
When JR was let loose,he excelled. My favorite was ROHAN because he played for the fun of the game, but Russell was unbeleivable. We should not knock a player for loses based on his mistakes only, and remember he could have went to BAMA!! I'm just glad he picked the TIGERS
Posted by tigerstros
Baton Rouge, soon to be Destin!
Member since Aug 2005
770 posts
Posted on 8/3/08 at 4:08 pm to
Indiana Tiger and Puttytat yall da men! You see the forest through the trees. Like you said Puttytat, watch out, or you'll be labeled a rscist or worse if you disagree with the russell lovers. Indiana, very well put, and exactly my points on Russell. Go Tee! Go Tee! Go Tee!
Posted by tigerstros
Baton Rouge, soon to be Destin!
Member since Aug 2005
770 posts
Posted on 8/3/08 at 4:12 pm to
Oh and by the way Russell lovers, if my views on Russell piss you off, mission accomplished! frick off!
Posted by latiger09
Member since Jun 2005
7226 posts
Posted on 8/3/08 at 4:19 pm to
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Jamarcus threw 3 picks (one was an end over end pick 6), fumbled once (we recovered), fumbled another time but we got a fortunate whistle so that we retained the ball on our game winning drive.... but because we won in the last seconds of the game then Jamarcus must have had a great game. That game was an example of us winning late when Jamarcus put us in a hole early.




on russell's pick 6 the ball just slipped out of his hand and fluttered up in the air. yes it was his fault, but it wasnt a bad read or a forced ball, just a freak thing that only happened that one time that i can remember. on one of the interceptions he tried to force the ball into i be lieve richard dickson and hefney picked it off around the 10 yard line. i dont remember the other one.

he fumbled on the hit that he got the concussion on. his "almost" fumble is irrelevant because it was not a fumble and if anything it was a makeup call for the blown call on the punt earlier in the game when the officials said hefney did not touch the ball even though he clearly did.

the team was also marching down the field when bowe fumbled around the tennessee 40. on the very next play crompton hit meachem deep for a score.

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ut because we won in the last seconds of the game then Jamarcus must have had a great game.


saying he was still clearly better than flynn is not saying he had a great game.

and back to the original reason for this game being brought up, flynn came in the game for one drive when russell first got the concussion and the team moved backwards. he also took a sack inside the lsu 10 that caused chris jackson to have to punt from his own endzone.

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That game was an example of us winning late when Jamarcus put us in a hole early.


russell got that concussion on the first drive of the game. there was also a missed field goal on that drive.

flynn came in and the team went backwards.

russell came back and played the rest of the game with a concussion.

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By the way, Flynn had some very good games at LSU when healthy (Miami, V Tech, Ohio St)


i really would love to know what people think is so good about 13/22 for 196 yards and 2 touchdowns, or 17/27 for 217 yards and no touchdowns. russell's averages from 2005 or 2006 are just as good if not better than those 2 "very good" games combined.
Posted by mattz1122
Member since Oct 2007
55560 posts
Posted on 8/3/08 at 4:20 pm to
I like how you never addressed any counterpoints, and just base your opinion on Pitt beating WVU, and the racist assumption that Russell was dumb.
Posted by latiger09
Member since Jun 2005
7226 posts
Posted on 8/3/08 at 4:20 pm to
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Indiana Tiger and Puttytat yall da men! You see the forest through the trees. Like you said Puttytat, watch out, or you'll be labeled a rscist or worse if you disagree with the russell lovers. Indiana, very well put, and exactly my points on Russell. Go Tee! Go Tee! Go Tee!


why did i know you wouldnt do it? your just the netx person in a very long line of rant dumbasses that failed to type that statement.
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
64498 posts
Posted on 8/3/08 at 4:27 pm to
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on russell's pick 6 the ball just slipped out of his hand and fluttered up in the air. yes it was his fault, but it wasnt a bad read or a forced ball, just a freak thing that only happened that one time that i can remember.


You should remember that he threw the same end over end pass against Florida in 2006, it just fell incomplete. You should remember that at Arizona St in 2005, with LSU in the red zone the ball just slipped out of his hands backwards for a fumble.

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i really would love to know what people think is so good about 13/22 for 196 yards and 2 touchdowns, or 17/27 for 217 yards and no touchdowns. russell's averages from 2005 or 2006 are just as good if not better than those 2 "very good" games combined.


I'm not sure which of those two games the stats were for, but the V Tech and Ohio St games were very good games for Flynn. (Flynn excuse - the pick against Ohio St came when Terrence Tolliver didn't break his route off. He broke one way, Flynn threw it the other way)
Posted by Hitman
Member since Jun 2006
1748 posts
Posted on 8/3/08 at 4:29 pm to
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and a questionable call or 2 in the Auburn game.


2? TWO? Did you watch the game at all? WE HAD 8! Count them. 8 questionable calls. 4 of them were drive stoppers in Auburn territory. Nobody can overcome that. Trust me, if by chance we woulda gotten in the EZ on that last drive a refs flag was coming out for holding. THEY were not gonna let us win.
Posted by danfraz
San Antonio TX
Member since Apr 2008
24550 posts
Posted on 8/3/08 at 4:32 pm to
I hate the blame the ref deal but Hitman is right. No way the refs let LSU win that game in 06. Worst.Officiating.Ever.
Posted by latiger09
Member since Jun 2005
7226 posts
Posted on 8/3/08 at 4:33 pm to
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You should remember that he threw the same end over end pass against Florida in 2006, it just fell incomplete. You should remember that at Arizona St in 2005, with LSU in the red zone the ball just slipped out of his hands backwards for a fumble.


no, i dont remember the florida pass. i do vaguely remember the arizona state play now that you mention it. it doesnt change the fact that its just a freak thing that happens, and when its intercepted its no different than flynn severly underthrowing a receiver like in the kentucky or alabama games.

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I'm not sure which of those two games the stats were for


its not that hard to look up, but why does that matter?

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but the V Tech and Ohio St games were very good games for Flynn.


so what youre saying is those were good games by flynn's standards, even though they generally amounted to average games by russell's standards, right?

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(Flynn excuse - the pick against Ohio St came when Terrence Tolliver didn't break his route off. He broke one way, Flynn threw it the other way)


thats fine. just dont blame russell for interceptions when balls bounce off receivers hands or they run the wrong route if you arent going to do it for flynn.

and you still havent addressed the original reason this was even brought up: russell with a concussion >>>> flynn 100% healthy
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
64498 posts
Posted on 8/3/08 at 4:34 pm to
Do any of you think that "stowns" knew what his thread would turn into?
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