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re: Old JaMarcus
Posted on 8/2/08 at 7:08 pm to TigerBait1127
Posted on 8/2/08 at 7:08 pm to TigerBait1127
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if Tebow leaves after next year with a NC, does that mean Leak>Tebow?
If you're asking me I say no it doesn't. I haven't claimed Mauck & Flynn > Russell. But if Jamarcus threw to Dwayne Bowe, Craig Davis, and Early Doucet, while other QB's threw to Joe Schmo then wouldn't you say that JR had a better supporting cast around him?
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Posted on 8/2/08 at 7:08 pm to Choupique19
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Buckeye, some guys here are doubting Troy Smith's Heismann Year. What say you??
I've gotten into this debate a few times on this site with some posters (including SFP, who always makes a good case that JR was better than TS that year). Still (just talking about before the bowl game, since that's when the Heisman's given), I do believe Troy deserved the Heisman. He only had 5 picks and took very good care of the ball (to go with 30 TDs), and it seemed like he was always clutch. SFP likes to point out his poor game against PSU, which is true, it was bad, but, first, it was in a rainstorm, and second, even with an overall poor game, he made up for it with a great, clutch play (the scramble away from pressure before hitting a receiver on the run more than 50 yards away in the endzone). Against scUM, a game filled with lots of pressure and hype, he played spectacularly.
And he won the Heisman by the second largest margin EVER. I mean it wasn't even close.
Posted on 8/2/08 at 7:10 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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And he won the Heisman by the second largest margin EVER. I mean it wasn't even close.
McFadden should have won it
Posted on 8/2/08 at 7:11 pm to Choupique19
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then wouldn't you say that JR had a better supporting cast around him?
no, we had 2 new starters on the oline, including a freshman and we couldn't run the ball for shite (vincent and broussard were terrible in 2006)
i think the lack of running game has a greater impact on who plays receiver. LSU will always have good enough receivers
This post was edited on 8/2/08 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 8/2/08 at 7:12 pm to latiger09
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notice you are the only person dumb enough to inject this argument into this thread.
Oh really, go reread the first page of this thread,
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really old...just watching it on youtube...i almost forgot how ridiculously good he was. How in the hell did we manage to not get to the MNC with this team???? (i can think of 2 specific plays)
for anyone bored:
LINK
Looks like a highlight reel with only the best plays on there. The plays that make you say, "...then sees Buster Davis sliding open into the endzone and absolutely BLISTERS a ball past DB's who couldn't even react to the velocity of it. Only a handful of QB's to ever play could have dared make that throw." (taken from another post on page 1)
Posted on 8/2/08 at 7:18 pm to TigerBait1127
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no, we had 2 new starters on the oline, including a freshman and we couldn't run the ball for shite (vincent and broussard were terrible in 2006)
i think the lack of running game has a greater impact on who plays receiver. LSU will always have good enough receivers
So LSU's defense sucked, the OLine sucked, all 5 RB's combined (Hester, Williams, Broussard, Vincent, and Scott) sucked.... I guess Jamarcus is the only good thing we had that year.
By the way your statement about LSU alwasy having good receivers only goes back to when Saban started recruiting. We have been comparing JR with all LSU QB's and the receivers of the 80's and 90's were not all 1st round draft picks.
Posted on 8/2/08 at 7:18 pm to Choupique19
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Oh really, go reread the first page of this thread,
i did. i dont see anywhere on there mention his size or his ability to throw the ball 70+ yards.
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Looks like a highlight reel with only the best plays on there. The plays that make you say, "...then sees Buster Davis sliding open into the endzone and absolutely BLISTERS a ball past DB's who couldn't even react to the velocity of it. Only a handful of QB's to ever play could have dared make that throw." (taken from another post on page 1)
im sorry, you'll have to help me. where in this quote is there any reference to height, weight, or distance throwing a football?
and what is your next excuse for russell winning the manning award now that your sec homer theory is gone?
Posted on 8/2/08 at 7:20 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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And he won the Heisman by the second largest margin EVER. I mean it wasn't even close.
But did he receive Slowflopro's vote???
Posted on 8/2/08 at 7:23 pm to Choupique19
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By the way your statement about LSU alwasy having good receivers only goes back to when Saban started recruiting. We have been comparing JR with all LSU QB's and the receivers of the 80's and 90's were not all 1st round draft picks.
i haven't been.
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So LSU's defense sucked, the OLine sucked, all 5 RB's combined (Hester, Williams, Broussard, Vincent, and Scott) sucked.... I guess Jamarcus is the only good thing we had that year.
LSU's defense was very good, and we could pass block pretty good. We couldn't run block, Hester played FB ("fumbled" against Auburn), Williams was a late qualifier, and Scott didn't play. Vincent and Broussard sucked
Once Williams started playing TB, our offense got way better
This post was edited on 8/2/08 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 8/2/08 at 7:28 pm to Choupique19
I wonder how many passing yards and TDs Quinn, Smith, or McCoy would have if they had been throwing to Bowe, Davis, and Doucet?
For all the stats thrown around there are always two that are omitted for some reason. What about the Number of points scored in a season and Championships won.
In reference to the claim that JR could run, it's obvious that he was a good runner. He just never ran with any effort until the Tennessee game. I think mid way through the Tennessee game he realized the the season was about to go in the tank. If it did his draft status would suffer so he decided to suck it and run over players that he out weighed by more than fifty pounds. When he started running, LSU, IMO, was a much better team.
Flynn and Mauck were always willing to sacrifice their bodies for the team. How many key first downs did they get by running that kept drives alive. Maybe that is a reason that the running game was more efficient when they were the quarterback. The defense always had to keep and eye on the quarterback.
For all the stats thrown around there are always two that are omitted for some reason. What about the Number of points scored in a season and Championships won.
In reference to the claim that JR could run, it's obvious that he was a good runner. He just never ran with any effort until the Tennessee game. I think mid way through the Tennessee game he realized the the season was about to go in the tank. If it did his draft status would suffer so he decided to suck it and run over players that he out weighed by more than fifty pounds. When he started running, LSU, IMO, was a much better team.
Flynn and Mauck were always willing to sacrifice their bodies for the team. How many key first downs did they get by running that kept drives alive. Maybe that is a reason that the running game was more efficient when they were the quarterback. The defense always had to keep and eye on the quarterback.
Posted on 8/2/08 at 7:29 pm to TigerBait1127
RUSHING GP-GS Att Gain Loss Net Avg TD Long Avg/G
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Jacob Hester 13-13 94 457 17 440 4.7 6 28 33.8
K. Williams 9-1 76 452 16 436 5.7 5 38 48.4
Alley Broussard 10-0 74 303 22 281 3.8 4 38 28.1
Charles Scott 7-1 46 283 6 277 6.0 5 38 39.6
Justin Vincent 13-6 57 219 9 210 3.7 0 20 16.2
T. Holliday 12-0 14 173 1 172 12.3 1 38 14.
Anyway, if you are just saying that Jamarcus had a great year in 2006, I agree with you. I'm not sure what you meant by "you're not comparing him with anybody".
I've seen on here where you've used the wrist injury to excuse all of JR's 2005 year. I'm not buying it, lots of people play with small injuries. Some Flynn lovers could use his ankle as an excuse for the entire 2007 season.
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Jacob Hester 13-13 94 457 17 440 4.7 6 28 33.8
K. Williams 9-1 76 452 16 436 5.7 5 38 48.4
Alley Broussard 10-0 74 303 22 281 3.8 4 38 28.1
Charles Scott 7-1 46 283 6 277 6.0 5 38 39.6
Justin Vincent 13-6 57 219 9 210 3.7 0 20 16.2
T. Holliday 12-0 14 173 1 172 12.3 1 38 14.
Anyway, if you are just saying that Jamarcus had a great year in 2006, I agree with you. I'm not sure what you meant by "you're not comparing him with anybody".
I've seen on here where you've used the wrist injury to excuse all of JR's 2005 year. I'm not buying it, lots of people play with small injuries. Some Flynn lovers could use his ankle as an excuse for the entire 2007 season.
Posted on 8/2/08 at 7:30 pm to roygu
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He just never ran with any effort until the Tennessee game. I think mid way through the Tennessee game he realized the the season was about to go in the tank. If it did his draft status would suffer so he decided to suck it and run over players that he out weighed by more than fifty pounds. When he started running, LSU, IMO, was a much better team.
Flynn and Mauck were always willing to sacrifice their bodies for the tea
so JR didn't run because he was being selfish, not because the coaching staff didn't want him running. So he played 2005 with a torn ligament in his wrist, and he played that Tenn game with a concussion, but he was not will to sacrifice his body for the team?
This post was edited on 8/2/08 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 8/2/08 at 7:33 pm to Choupique19
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Anyway, if you are just saying that Jamarcus had a great year in 2006, I agree with you. I'm not sure what you meant by "you're not comparing him with anybody".
I've seen on here where you've used the wrist injury to excuse all of JR's 2005 year. I'm not buying it, lots of people play with small injuries. Some Flynn lovers could use his ankle as an excuse for the entire 2007 season.
our running game played a lot better at the end of the year when Williams started playing
Flynn's injury without a doubt affected the way he played
Why do people treat JR like trash when he has done nothing but good for LSU on and off the field? He helped give us a good name during Katrina and he has never been in any trouble, but people act like he called out all of his teammates. In reality, he was always respectful and i don't remember him ever doing anything selfish
This post was edited on 8/2/08 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 8/2/08 at 7:35 pm to TigerBait1127
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TigerBait1127
I think that I am on the same page as you, but I have just been arguing some other statements made by others.
Posted on 8/2/08 at 7:36 pm to TigerBait1127
1127, you don't give up, huh?
Posted on 8/2/08 at 7:36 pm to roygu
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I wonder how many passing yards and TDs Quinn, Smith, or McCoy would have if they had been throwing to Bowe, Davis, and Doucet?
quinn had the shark and mcknight
smith had ted ginn and gonzo (2, 1st round WRs)
McCoy had sweed and other really talented WRs
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. What about the Number of points scored in a season and Championships won.
those are team stats
what if you get points/wins without passing the ball?
are we going to call pat white a better QB b/c of the points he puts up?
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He just never ran with any effort until the Tennessee game. I think mid way through the Tennessee game he realized the the season was about to go in the tank. If it did his draft status would suffer so he decided to suck it and run over players that he out weighed by more than fifty pounds.
dude it was a coaching decision
how many QB draws did we run before UT? about the same # that we ran in the UT game itself
not to mention plays like the fake bubble screen QB run up the gut
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Flynn and Mauck were always willing to sacrifice their bodies for the team. How many key first downs did they get by running that kept drives alive. Maybe that is a reason that the running game was more efficient when they were the quarterback. The defense always had to keep and eye on the quarterback.
how would a QB occasionally running help out our running game?
Posted on 8/2/08 at 7:37 pm to Choupique19
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Justin Vincent 13-6 57 219 9 210 3.7 0 20 16.2
r.i.p.
This post was edited on 8/2/08 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 8/2/08 at 7:38 pm to Choupique19
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I think that I am on the same page as you, but I have just been arguing some other statements made by others.
i think flynn is the player we are going to miss the most this year
Posted on 8/2/08 at 7:42 pm to tubucoco
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1127, you don't give up, huh?
i'm gonna be bored until it gets a little later, so this helps pass the time
Posted on 8/2/08 at 7:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
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quinn had the shark and mcknight
smith had ginn and gonzo
McCoy had sweed and other really talented WR's
I can honestly say LSU receivers were better, look at production in the pros, them other guys I don't hear nothing about.
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