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re: Old JaMarcus
Posted on 8/2/08 at 6:22 pm to Choupique19
Posted on 8/2/08 at 6:22 pm to Choupique19
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How can you say that JR's year was better than all of these guys?
a. look at the stats. JR was the highest-rated BCS QB
b. Colt Brennan was in a run and shoot spread and played NOBODY all year. we saw them against UGA. he's the only person who had better stats than JR, and he had a shite schedule and an almost 100% passing offense
c. schedule, schedule, schedule. Quinn, Henne, and Smith played easy BCS schedules. JR played one of the worst schedules i've ever seen, playing on the road against 2 top 10 teams (including the eventual champ) and on the road against 2 other top 25 teams
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Posted on 8/2/08 at 6:24 pm to Choupique19
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This is several QB's in a variety of different systems. (Here comes the Jimbo Fisher blame). How can you say that JR's year was better than all of these guys?
1. I'm not even going to respond to Colt Brennan
2. Everyone in the country saw that Russell>Quinn
(Russell had a 167 rating > 145 for Quinn)(67.8%>61%)
3. Russell completed 67.8% of his passes against arguably the hardest schedule in NCAA history)
4. Henne had the 27th best QB rating in the country, and only completed 61% of his passes
Posted on 8/2/08 at 6:24 pm to mattz1122
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I really wonder why some LSU fans are so anti-Russell. They're always so quick to tear him down.
I'm not down on Jamarcus Russell, I was pulling for him as a Tiger, and now as a Raider. But I am debating the Jamarcus Russell is the greatest QB of all-time theory.
By the way, if Troy Smith is so terrible (not that it matters in the 2006 college debate), but here are the 2007 NFL stats....
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Smith finished his rookie season by totaling 452 yards and two touchdowns passing and 54 yards and a touchdown rushing in four games on his debut season, for 506 total yards. QB rating - 79.5
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Russell finished his rookie season with 36 completed passes on 66 attempts, 373 yards, two touchdowns and four interceptions. QB rating - 55.9
Posted on 8/2/08 at 6:33 pm to TigerBait1127
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Everyone in the country saw that Russell>Quinn
1. JR was throwing against ND's sorry defense, not LSU's great defense
2. Do you think that Brady Quinn would have done better than 5 fumbles, 6 interceptions and 6 TD's against Auburn, Florida, Tennessee, and Arkansas.
3. The one game Jamarcus didn't have a turnover out of those four, he took a sack with less than a minute in the game while trying to move in for the winning score.
This post was edited on 8/2/08 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 8/2/08 at 6:36 pm to Choupique19
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2. Do you think that Brady Quinn would have done better than 5 fumbles and 6 interceptions against Auburn, Florida, Tennessee, and Arkansas.
probably not, considering he performed worse than JR over the course of the season against a much weaker schedule
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3. The one game Jamarcus didn't have a turnover out of those four, he took a sack with less than a minute in the game while trying to move in for the winning score.
nice. after all of JR's come back wins i'm glad you remember the one time that he failed in that situation.
Posted on 8/2/08 at 6:36 pm to Choupique19
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1. JR was throwing against ND's sorry defense, not LSU's great defense
and quinn had the advantage of playing against shite all year, and JR had better stats in the end
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2. Do you think that Brady Quinn would have done better than 5 fumbles, 6 interceptions and 6 TD's against Auburn, Florida, Tennessee, and Arkansas.
did you see what brady quinn did against michigan's defense in 2006?
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3. The one game Jamarcus didn't have a turnover out of those four, he took a sack with less than a minute in the game while trying to move in for the winning score.
and that team was a harder team than any team quinn, smith, brennan, or henne face before bowls
...and JR was playing on the road
Posted on 8/2/08 at 6:39 pm to geauxjo
"was under the assumption that the discussion was a head-to-head comparison with Flynn. That's what I have read on here more than anything else."
....some posts on this thread state that JR was the best LSU ever had.......I disagree and that is who I am responding to.
....some posts on this thread state that JR was the best LSU ever had.......I disagree and that is who I am responding to.
This post was edited on 8/2/08 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 8/2/08 at 6:42 pm to Choupique19
Choupique19.....good points on Tommy Hodson 
Posted on 8/2/08 at 6:42 pm to puttytat
having the best career is not the same as being the best QB
Posted on 8/2/08 at 6:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
....just like stats don't tell the whole story
Posted on 8/2/08 at 6:45 pm to puttytat
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just like stats don't tell the whole story
they only tell about 90% of it
Posted on 8/2/08 at 6:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
it was clear who the better qb was when the NFL draft rolled around(seeing that Quinn dropped to a top 25 pick instead of a top 3 pick). Alot of Quinn's attention all year was bc he was at Notre Dame and put up decent numbers.
When the two finally faced off in the sugar bowl scouts finally realized; wow, JR is really good.
When the two finally faced off in the sugar bowl scouts finally realized; wow, JR is really good.
Posted on 8/2/08 at 6:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
"they only tell about 90% of it"
says who??....you???
says who??....you???
Posted on 8/2/08 at 6:46 pm to puttytat
I think everyone can agree that Hodson, Tittle, Jones, and Russell are the Mount Rushmore of LSU quarterbacks even though none of them have a national championship. If somebody else were to be up there with them it is much more likely to be Rohan than Flynn or Mauck.
This post was edited on 8/2/08 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 8/2/08 at 6:46 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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When the two finally faced off in the sugar bowl scouts finally realized; wow, JR is really good.
myth
JR was the frontrunner for #1 pick before 2006 even starter
Posted on 8/2/08 at 6:47 pm to puttytat
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says who??....you???
name another measure to compare individual football players
Posted on 8/2/08 at 6:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
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having the best career is not the same as being the best QB
Slowflo the point that you don't get is that you're judging the QB's based on their talent, not their production. If you want to say that JR's 2006 season was the best ever by an LSU QB, then that's a good debate (and one you could win). But if judging the best LSU QB ever, CAREER ACHIEVEMENTS ARE IN PLAY.
Posted on 8/2/08 at 6:48 pm to Choupique19
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Slowflo the point that you don't get is that you're judging the QB's based on their talent, not their production
no, i'm not
look at JR's 2006 season
a. compare it to every other QB in 2006
b. compare it to every other season by an LSU QB ever
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But if judging the best LSU QB ever, CAREER ACHIEVEMENTS ARE IN PLAY.
why?
for example, JR only started 2 full seasons. that alone makes the comparison invalid
Posted on 8/2/08 at 6:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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JR was the frontrunner for #1 pick before 2006 even starter
I don't know about before the season started, but I agree that the Sugar Bowl wasn't the first time that he was projected as the #1 pick.
Posted on 8/2/08 at 6:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
....again tough guy....read my previous posts.....I state that it is IMPOSSIBLE to compare these QBs ...... so quit throwing out this 90% bullcrap ..... it isn't so just because you say so.....sorry
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