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re: New Baseball Facility is fiya...
Posted on 5/19/19 at 12:37 am to sumbodyorsum1
Posted on 5/19/19 at 12:37 am to sumbodyorsum1
What's the story about the overhead roof over the suites? Is their a phase that was left out for not finishing it?
Posted on 5/19/19 at 6:15 am to LSURussian
But thats the thing, it doesnt have to pay for all of the new costs, only part of it. Ls’s athletics department or taf could just make it a priority in the next couple years to do it, and add it to their budget. They could use the increased profit from raising ticket prices slightly to help. It doesnt have to be all or nothing
Posted on 5/19/19 at 6:56 am to josh336
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But thats the thing, it doesnt have to pay for all of the new costs, only part of it. Ls’s athletics department or taf could just make it a priority in the next couple years to do it, and add it to their budget. They could use the increased profit from raising ticket prices slightly to help. It doesnt have to be all or nothing
I agree, that’s all I was trying to say. That there doesn’t need to be some huge mandatory “TAF contribution” from all season ticket holders.
This whole issue was about Russian telling everyone that he is a LSU baseball donor and Paul asked him to buy a plaque once. Guy is a prick.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 9:31 am to WaWaWeeWa
quote:So an annual $200 per season ticket surcharge is a "huge" amount? And you claim you make more donations to LSU than I do.
there doesn’t need to be some huge mandatory “TAF contribution” from all season ticket holders.
Or, are you just once again twisting my words to fit your misguided logic?
Even you saying "from all season ticket holders" is a misquote. I said specifically an additional charge assessed just on the current season ticket holders who now have bleacher bench seating and who would have the new chair back seats would be the most logical way to pay for the upgrade in seating.
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This whole issue was about Russian telling everyone that he is a LSU baseball donor and Paul asked him to buy a plaque once. Guy is a prick.
This post was edited on 5/19/19 at 9:50 am
Posted on 5/19/19 at 9:42 am to josh336
quote:Again, why would adding chair backs be a priority?
just make it a priority in the next couple years to do it
Would it help ticket sales? No, because 100% of those seats are sold to season ticket holders now.
Would it help recruiting? Doubtful that recruits even look at outfield seats. But the new workout facility will definitely impress some recruits.
Would it look better on TV? Yes, it would. So what?
Would keyboard warriors like WaWaWeeWa stop bitching? No, they would just find something else to bitch about that they want as long as someone else pays for it.
I can think of at least 3 other big renovation/construction projects that are ahead of any Alex Box renovations in priority using existing athletic department revenues.
1) PMAC
2) Track and field facilities
3) Swimming facilities
The only way Alex Box renovations get moved up in priority is that the renovations are funded from additional revenues generated from baseball.
This post was edited on 5/19/19 at 9:53 am
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:21 am to LSURussian
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So an annual $200 per season ticket surcharge is a "huge" amount? And you claim you make more donations to LSU than I do.
I know you donate money to LSU. You just told us all about it. How many times are you going to say that like it matters?
$200 isn’t a big deal to me, but it may be to a lot of loyal fans sitting in those seats. I think there are better ways to do it.
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But the question remains, are the fans who would use those seats willing to pay approximately 50%-100% more per season ticket with some type of surcharge added to have those chairs?
Not necessary, and a ridiculous idea. Having chair backs is becoming almost standard in most parks. Using your logic, if the outfield bleachers needed updated bathroom facilities you would charge the outfield seats a surcharge to upgrade that because you don’t use those bathrooms in the grandstand.
Get over yourself arsehole
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:32 am to WaWaWeeWa
quote:Apparently it's a "huge" amount to you. Your word, not mine.
$200 isn’t a big deal to me
quote:Name 3 ways that are better, feasible and don't involve unicorn farts.
I think there are better ways to do it.
quote:And somebody had to pay for those seats. So let's do it. I'm all for it. Who is going to pay for the upgraded seats in Alex Box? Anybody but you, right? The ever popular "they" will pay....
Having chair backs is becoming almost standard in most parks.
This post was edited on 5/19/19 at 11:37 am
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:41 am to LSURussian
I think TAF and the athletic department should help some. Then a small increase in ticket prices for all tickets spread over a matter of years.
I see it as a whole stadium upgrade. You see it as THEIR seats. That’s fine. To me it’s about continuing to upgrade all aspects of the stadium to keep up with other stadiums.
Agree to disagree I guess.
ETA: just admit this was a chance for you to say “SOMEBODY ELSE NEEDS TO PAY FOR THIS BECAUSE I, LSURUSSIAN, AM PAYING THE BONDS FOR THE NEW BOX!!!1!!”. Guess what financial genius.... they can call it a TAF contribution or whatever to make you feel like you are paying for the stadium, but in reality it’s just the actual cost of your ticket
I see it as a whole stadium upgrade. You see it as THEIR seats. That’s fine. To me it’s about continuing to upgrade all aspects of the stadium to keep up with other stadiums.
Agree to disagree I guess.
ETA: just admit this was a chance for you to say “SOMEBODY ELSE NEEDS TO PAY FOR THIS BECAUSE I, LSURUSSIAN, AM PAYING THE BONDS FOR THE NEW BOX!!!1!!”. Guess what financial genius.... they can call it a TAF contribution or whatever to make you feel like you are paying for the stadium, but in reality it’s just the actual cost of your ticket
This post was edited on 5/19/19 at 11:45 am
Posted on 5/19/19 at 12:22 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:Do you think they have printing presses to print money?
I think TAF and the athletic department should help some.
quote:If you had even a sophomore level of financial analysis ability you'd know how stupid your statement is.
Then a small increase in ticket prices for all tickets spread over a matter of years.
A "small increase" ($1/game which averages an approximately 15% increase in season tickets) won't generate enough new funding to allow a multi-million dollar major renovation to get done without it being so piece meal it would take a decade to complete.
There are, in round numbers, 10,000 season tickets sold. There are approximately 35 home games/regular season depending on if LSU plays an away non-conference series during the season like we did this year at Texas. A $1/game increase would therefore generate $350,000/year additional funds. That won't pay the interest on the borrowed funds required much less the principle + interest.
Double the ticket price increase to $2/game and it would pay the interest and a little of the principle.
So it would require more than a $4 season ticket price increase per game which would be a about a 40%-60% increase in season ticket prices (ignoring the premium priced purple seats and suites) and also approaching between $100-$200 annual increase. That's NOT a "small increase" and you're also getting closer to the $200 contribution amount I've repeatedly said would likely be needed to fund the stadium renovations and which you already referred to as a "huge" amount.
A $5 increase per game would be about $175/year in new ticket revenue. The current face value for most midweek games is $5, again ignoring the premium purple seats. So for those games, it would be a 100% increase in ticket price. SEC game tickets average between $10 and $15 per ticket. Non-SEC weekend games average around $8/ticket. Do the math on the % increase for all of those current prices.
And, yes, a major renovation would require borrowing funds, with via a bank loan, private placement borrowing or issuing bonds. Otherwise the increase in revenues from a $4-$5 ticket price increase would have to be escrowed until a sufficient amount of funds was accumulated to pay for the project.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 12:41 pm to WaWaWeeWa
I see you snuck in an edit to prove even more how stupid you are:
For baseball, the Tradition Fund donation ranges from $2,000/ticket for the purple seats directly behind home plate to $75/season ticket for "premium" outfield seats to zero Tradition Fund donations for other outfield seats.
My seats in the green grand stand section are in the $200/seat category.
So, in truth, my Tradition Fund amount is on the LOW AMOUNT SIDE.
Sorry to disappoint you that I think I'm paying for all of the new Alex Box construction costs. I think I'm getting a bargain.
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quote:The bonds are being repaid by every season ticket holder who pays a non-voluntary, Tradition Fund "contribution" to buy a season ticket, not just BY ME. (I used all caps because you seem to think they are important.)
ETA: just admit this was a chance for you to say “SOMEBODY ELSE NEEDS TO PAY FOR THIS BECAUSE I, LSURUSSIAN, AM PAYING THE BONDS FOR THE NEW BOX!!!1!!”.
For baseball, the Tradition Fund donation ranges from $2,000/ticket for the purple seats directly behind home plate to $75/season ticket for "premium" outfield seats to zero Tradition Fund donations for other outfield seats.
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Seat Location - Tradition Fund Per Seat Donation
Purple Home Plate $2,000
Purple Dugout $1,500
Gold Field Box $400
Gold Grandstand $300
Green Grandstand $200
Outfield Prime Bleachers $75
Outfield Regular Bleachers n/a
Home Run Bleachers n/a
My seats in the green grand stand section are in the $200/seat category.
So, in truth, my Tradition Fund amount is on the LOW AMOUNT SIDE.
Sorry to disappoint you that I think I'm paying for all of the new Alex Box construction costs. I think I'm getting a bargain.
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Posted on 5/19/19 at 12:55 pm to LSURussian
You wasted your time typing all that nonsense
Posted on 5/19/19 at 1:01 pm to Kramerica Industries
Looks like a great facility...that’ll be a huge recruiting tool for our new coach once CPM is canned after next year.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 1:05 pm to LSURussian
I know what the tradition fund is moron. I’ve been paying it for years. I just think it’s funny how you had to point out that you were paying the bonds for the stadium like that’s impressive.
Like you said, it’s non-voluntary, they could add all that cost to the face value of your tickets and it would make no difference.
I’m going to move on from this topic. We disagree on fundamental aspects of the cost of this project and what it would require to fund it.
Have a good day. And thanks for paying for the box!
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I currently pay $200 per season ticket to TAF for my grandstand seats which is used to pay down the bonds which were issued when the new Alex Box was built. That's in addition to the cost of the tickets themselves. So, who pays for the new renovations? Should I pay for them even though I'd get no benefit from outfield chair back
Like you said, it’s non-voluntary, they could add all that cost to the face value of your tickets and it would make no difference.
I’m going to move on from this topic. We disagree on fundamental aspects of the cost of this project and what it would require to fund it.
Have a good day. And thanks for paying for the box!
Posted on 5/19/19 at 2:57 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:You are easily triggered, Snowflake.
I just think it’s funny how you had to point out that you were paying the bonds for the stadium like that’s impressive.
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they could add all that cost to the face value of your tickets
So you now agree upgrading the bleachers seats to chair back seats with arm rests would require more than a "small amount" per ticket to fund the renovation?
quote:Again, you show your ignorance of financing large projects by the athletic department. It makes a very important difference.
and it would make no difference.
A lender, whether it is a bank or a bond underwriter, always prefer and sometimes require a dedicated and easily identifiable revenue stream from the borrower to retire the debt it is owed.
LSU is not the borrower. TAF is.
The Tradition Fund donations are owed to TAF and TAF is the legal entity on the hook for repaying the money, not LSU. So, TAF dedicates the Tradition Fund revenues to retire the debt issued.
The ticket sales revenue goes to LSU but, again, LSU is not the legal borrower. If it were, LSU, as a state governmental entity, would have to get legislative approval to take on the debt and then get State Bond Commission approval to actually issue the bonds backed by the state of Louisiana.
See the important difference?
You can find the information about TAF's financing arrangements for the LSU athletic infrastructure construction projects, including the new Tiger Stadium south end zone suites and seating, in TAF's annual report on TAF's website.
But I seriously doubt you would take the time to read that information since all you really care about is that "they" pay for any costs.....
This post was edited on 5/19/19 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 5/19/19 at 3:41 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:You're right, it was a waste of time. You likely can't understand 1% of what I wrote.
You wasted your time typing all that nonsense
Posted on 5/19/19 at 4:58 pm to TigerBait2008
NC voted to add chair back seats with arm rest at a cost of six dollars per ticket for the fans. It also cost them roughly 20 percent of their seating capacity.
The project was estimated to cost 6 million dollars.
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This was in 2018. They didn’t say how many seats were added exactly but it had to be from 45-48 thousand.
How many could they add to the Box and who wants to volunteer to lose their seat?
The project was estimated to cost 6 million dollars.
LINK
This was in 2018. They didn’t say how many seats were added exactly but it had to be from 45-48 thousand.
How many could they add to the Box and who wants to volunteer to lose their seat?
This post was edited on 5/19/19 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 5/19/19 at 6:47 pm to doubleb
quote:What does this mean?
chair back seats with arm rest at a cost of six dollars per seat
Posted on 5/19/19 at 7:12 pm to doubleb
They raised ticket prices $6.00 per ticket
they put in close to 50,000 new seats for $6 million
If you left the outfield alone, how many would we need at the box ~4-5k?
they put in close to 50,000 new seats for $6 million
If you left the outfield alone, how many would we need at the box ~4-5k?
Posted on 5/19/19 at 7:17 pm to LSURussian
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Should I pay for them even though I'd get no benefit from outfield chair back seats being added? Or, should LSU charge all of the season ticket holders who would get the chair back seats $200/ticket as a required "contribution" just like I have to pay now?
Yes. You should pay for all of those seats.
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