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re: Miles: QB situation not settled

Posted on 3/4/09 at 11:57 am to
Posted by hotrod
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Posted on 3/4/09 at 11:57 am to
2 starts vs 8 starts.....

I love it when people compare things that are apples/apples.
Posted by TheDoc
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Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:01 pm to
i'm talking about the other freshmen, RS freshmen, and sophomore's in the country...

I present to you the 83rd best QB in the country ladies and gentlemen!

83. Jarrett Lee, LSU
143 269 1873 53.2 7.0 13 16 8 115.70
Posted by LSUlunatic
Member since Dec 2006
6833 posts
Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:02 pm to
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Off problems?? We avg 25 fuking pts a game when JL started.


We averaged over 30 a game when JJ started.

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JJ started 2 games?? thats all you need to see from him to make such a bold staemtent???? WTF was your opinion about JL after his 2nd start?


What was so special about JL's second start? 10/18 for 84 yards? His numbers were worse than Hatch's that game.

I admit that JJ's stats weren't impressive at all, either. But they were more impressive than JL's.

The bottom line, though, is that this offense works much better behind a QB that can scramble. Additionally, JJ's accuracy is so much greater than Lee's, which can be seen in the low INT numbers of JJ compared to Lee.

Posted by cubsgrace
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2007
1994 posts
Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:03 pm to
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so why'd he do so bad, and other red shirt freshman did okay?


Hotrod just gave part of the answer - even though he didn't know it. It's all about team leadership. JJ has shown very good leadership and the team rallied behind him. JL needs to get into some games this year, try to earn more respect from his teammates, and then show better leadership.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12721 posts
Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:05 pm to
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How can you put that loss on a true freshmen's shoulders when he helped lead his team to 30 points in his first collegiate start ever?
I didn't. I'm not putting it on either freshman. I'm not the one blaming a freshman QB for horrible defensive play in game after game after game. I just questioned the logic of excusing Jefferson for that loss but not giving Lee any slack whatsoever for being paired with the worst performing LSU defense in a decade for 8 games. Lee led us to 38 points against Georgia. Even if you take away the two pick 6s, his offense netted us 24 points. The defense gave up 38 points, all on long scoring drives. And you are trying to argue that the defense was helpless to stop Georgia because their QB had thrown 2 INTs?

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the defense gave up play after play in that second half, and it was disturbing to watch.
Yes, it was, just exactly as it was after the Florida and Georgia games, too. We had young QBs who needed their veteran defense to come through and help them win, and the defense couldn't do it. Jordan Jefferson netted us 30 points against Arkansas, Jarrett Lee netted us 24 points against Georgia. Either should have been enough for a win if the defense could have played worth a damn. But our DCs sucked, so the defense couldn't do its job and we lost both games. We could have had a chance in the Florida game if our defense could have stopped Florida more than once in the entire 2nd half. But in that game (like the Ole Miss game) neither side did its job enough to win. But the difference is the defense was not relying on an inexperienced QB (or a younger, even more inexperienced QB; or an even younger, still MORE inexperienced QB). The defense had the talent and experience that should have been able to support our inexperienced QBs. Instead, they put the QBs in a position time and time again where the whole team had to lean on them to save the game. Lee did it against Troy. He came up short against Georgia despite a strong effort right up until the end. And he failed against Florida and Ole Miss. And Jefferson came up just short against Arkansas. 5 times our defense put us on the ropes, and 4 times our young, inexperienced QBs couldn't make the plays to overcome it.

The only two strong performances by our defense against teams of any quality were against Alabama where our Lee's play flat out cost us the game, and against Georgia Tech where our defense finally was so dominant that the QB play was irrelevant, and Jefferson was brilliant for a half.

Posted by cepheid
kenner, la
Member since Feb 2007
1638 posts
Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:06 pm to
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I present to you the 83rd best QB in the country ladies and gentlemen!


is 83 bad to you? that means their were about 30 that were worse. This proves that JL is not the worse QB in the history of college football. Which is saying he has potential and i agree with his backers that he should start over JJ. Also i am retarded.
Posted by hotrod
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Member since Feb 2009
535 posts
Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:07 pm to
once again,,, 2 starts vs 8 starts. so ppg cant be compared.

only impressive thing about JL's sencond start is that it was vs Fla, on the road, at night in primetime, after they lost to OM, and did I mention they are the defending NC??
Fla could proably have beaten Pitt steelers that night.

So you're right... not very impressive.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12721 posts
Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:11 pm to
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so why'd he do so bad, and other red shirt freshman did okay?
They did? That's funny, because I saw a whole lot fewer RS Freshman starting at QB last year than I saw teams with RS Freshman QBs on the roster. How exactly did you conclude that those RS Freshmen "did okay"?

Or are you making the astonishing revelation that Jarrett Lee did not have the best season ever for any RS Freshman QB?

Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:15 pm to
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is 83 bad to you? that means their were about 30 that were worse. This proves that JL is not the worse QB in the history of college football. Which is saying he has potential and i agree with his backers that he should start over JJ. Also i am retarded.


Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:16 pm to
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Fla could proably have beaten Pitt steelers that night.


in a thread full of gems, this one is near the top
Posted by hotrod
BR
Member since Feb 2009
535 posts
Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:21 pm to
dude, serioulsy... you gotta know where I was going with that.

If not, then I wont even attempt.

You shold know by now by reading my posts that even though we may disagree, Im not a tard.
Posted by TheDoc
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Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:21 pm to
:sigh:

Kellen Moore #11 Boise St.
FRESHMAN (just for example)
2008

281 405 3486 69.4 8.61 80 25 10 13 157.11

LINK
Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:22 pm to
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Im not a tard.


quote:

Fla could proably have beaten Pitt steelers that night.




the verdict is still out on you
Posted by KennesawTiger
Your's mom's house
Member since Dec 2006
8007 posts
Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:36 pm to
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i'm talking about the other freshmen, RS freshmen, and sophomore's in the country...


yeah, there are all sorts of freshmen/ sophomore QB's out there winning conference titles and BCS bowl games...

Kellen Moore really tore up that TCU defense
This post was edited on 3/4/09 at 12:43 pm
Posted by specs1
Member since Dec 2005
10015 posts
Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:49 pm to
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i'm talking about the other freshmen, RS freshmen, and sophomore's in the country...

I present to you the 83rd best QB in the country ladies and gentlemen!

83. Jarrett Lee, LSU
143 269 1873 53.2 7.0 13 16 8 115.70


OK Doc, up to JL's injur he was 64th. There were 4 freshman starteres ahead of him. But none were from a BCS conference. Could you please check and see how many of 1-82 were freshman and how many of those were freshman starting in a BCS conference?

I'd be interested to know that.

Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:52 pm to
isn't the point that LSU should recruit better QB's?

should the defending national champions ever had andrew hatch or jarrett lee starting a game?
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12721 posts
Posted on 3/4/09 at 12:59 pm to
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Kellen Moore #11 Boise St.
FRESHMAN (just for example)
Thomas Darrah #16 Alabama
RS FRESHMAN

0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Robert Ezell #13 Alabama
RS FRESHMAN

0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

(Just for two examples from the first team I looked at in our own division of our own conference)

You were asking why other RS Freshmen did so well. How exactly is it that you know Mr. Ezell and Mr. Darrah did "well" when neither of them even played? How do you know they did any better than Lee?

The point is that most RS Freshmen don't even play, much less start over half the season. That's because MOST RS Freshmen aren't ready to handle major college football, especially in the SEC. Jarrett Lee was apparently among that group, and it showed. The fact that SOME RS Freshman somewhere had a good season does not support the suggestion that Lee is and forever will be horrible. Just as the fact that other RS Freshmen had worse seasons (i.e., those that couldn't even get on the field) would not support the argument that Jarrett Lee did well. The only relevant point is that RS Freshmen in general tend to struggle, and Jarrett Lee struggled. That does not make him exceptional in any way, any more than it made Melvin Hill or Matthew Stafford exceptional. What made both of them exceptional was that as their careers progressed they developed into exceptional players (unfortunately, exceptionally mediocre -- at best -- in Hill's case).

Likewise, flashes of brilliance as a freshman do not necessarily translate into exceptionally strong performances over the course of a career. Jamie Howard had some remarkably strong showings as a freshman. That was two years before he set the unrivaled INT/Pick 6 standard on the Plains. Which was itself a year before he turned things around and helped lead us to our first winning season in 6 years.

The past is the past, for better or for worse. It does not dictate the future, so there's really no sense in revisiting or harping on the negative part unless you actually believe you are going to be making judgements that will determine the fate of the team.

Posted by gotygers
west St.Tammany
Member since Sep 2007
3016 posts
Posted on 3/4/09 at 1:01 pm to
JJ will be our starter Rs some wild tiger.
thats it!

everything else is fantisy.

Posted by gotygers
west St.Tammany
Member since Sep 2007
3016 posts
Posted on 3/4/09 at 1:04 pm to
MVP Chick Bowl

JJ is our starter!

Posted by Cajuncharger
South Central Louisiana, Mud Dogs!
Member since Nov 2005
999 posts
Posted on 3/4/09 at 1:07 pm to
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MVP Chick Bowl

JJ is our starter!


That's ..... DYNO-MITE!
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