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Matt McMahon considers whether teams have ‘figured out’ LSU

Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:36 am
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:36 am
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It has not been an ideal start to conference play for LSU.

While they did open with an impressive victory over Arkansas, the Tigers have now lost three straight games to start the calendar year. The first two were back-to-back road defeats to Kentucky and Texas A&M.

The latest setback occurred Tuesday at home when visiting Florida outscored the Tigers by 14 in the second half to win 67-56.

Coach Matt McMahon broke down afterwards what he thinks has contributed to the rough start to 2023 for LSU.

“I think Texas A&M was really physical with us and bothered us with some of their switching,” McMahon said. “As I mentioned with Florida, they do a good job of running you off the 3-point line. When we did create some open looks, we didn’t take advantage of those. I think that’s part of it. Teams have now seen this play 14, 15 — whatever it is — 16 times. We’ve got to really come together and figure out what gives us the best opportunity to win and obviously get back to work on that tonight.”


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Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68253 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:06 am to
Not sure there's any more tricks in the bag to fool anyone. The roster just sucks, bottom line.

Adam Miller would have been a great piece to last year's team but he's not a guard who can carry a roster full of guys who cant score (outside of KJ obviously). Teams can just lock him down behind the arc forcing tough shots and make everyone else try and beat them and KJ is the only player who can really do that.

We've got 3 guys who were bench players from NC State, Mississippi St and Murray St playing over 20 minutes a game for us this season. Kind of a red flag right there.
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 10:21 am
Posted by IM_4_LSU
Augusta, GA
Member since Mar 2014
8993 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:19 am to
There is room for improvement and I do think McMahon will figure some things out offensively. But we need to get players like Wilkinson and Hayes healthy so they can contribute as well.

Both can knock down shots. Wilkinson is a very good 3 point shooter and can defend at a high level which this team needs help defensively and rebounding on both ends of the floor. Obviously Cam Hayes is a streaky shooter who can create his own shot or take it to the lane. Both those players need to get back on the floor.
Posted by Ampipe96
Member since Sep 2020
1317 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:24 am to
I’ll take it a step further, you need to get Ward and Wilkinson more minutes and Hayes should start.
This gives you more length and athleticism and that’s what we are struggling with. Starting two 6’0” guards in this league is asking a lot. Also Ward and Wilkinsons length will help with rebounding.
Since we aren’t a great 3 pt team we need to attack the paint, attack the glass, and get to the line…. That’s the formula to win
Posted by IM_4_LSU
Augusta, GA
Member since Mar 2014
8993 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:29 am to
Agree on all fronts.
Posted by DallasTiger45
Member since May 2012
8417 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:32 am to
We are not particularly skilled or athletic. The team HAS to either 1) cut down on mental errors 2) play the guys who are more athletic and have scoring juice like Ward
Posted by CajunAlum Tiger Fan
The Great State of Louisiana
Member since Jan 2008
7866 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:46 am to
That’s a fine piece of journalism with a typo in the opening statement.

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It has not been an idea start to conference play for LSU.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118494 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:47 am to
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That’s a fine piece of journalism with a typo in the opening statement.



I corrected the error when I copy and pasted in the OP.
Posted by IndianInBR
L'auberge
Member since Dec 2015
3272 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:47 am to
Tldr: teams have figured us out and the team lacks the talent or depth to play any different.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118494 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:50 am to
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We are not particularly skilled or athletic.


KJ and Fountain would make good pieces if we had talent at the 1, 2 and 3 positions. We are just very depleted at those positions.
Posted by Pnels08
Member since Jul 2014
9178 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:53 am to
The team will get better the less juice plays he's been such a net negative he's cucking half the offensive possessions.


Id also like to see CMM settle on a rotation, we got too many guys playing sporadic minutes.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28171 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:56 am to
McMahon is learning how quickly the coaching adjusts at the level. It reminds me a bit of Wade’s first season. They opened SEC play with a close loss to UK, an upset win at A&M, then a dominant win at Arkansas. After that LSU lost 5 of their next 6 games and didn’t win another road game the rest of the year.

Not having Hayes last night was big because he’s the only guard who can consistently create his own shot away from the rim. Hill is just outmatched and teams have quickly adjusted to Hannibal. Now we see if McMahon can adjust.

At minimum, it would be nice for him to show more emotion on the sideline. You can’t watch your guy (Fountain) get hammered to floor with no foul called and say absolutely nothing to the officials. I’m not saying you need to be a raving lunatic and get a technical foul. But at least show your guys you are going to fight for them.
Posted by BowDownToLSU
Livingston louisiana
Member since Feb 2010
19170 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:56 am to
The half court sets on offense are terrible. I’ve seen High Schools run better plays. Bad shot after bad shot
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28171 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:12 am to
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The half court sets on offense are terrible. I’ve seen High Schools run better plays. Bad shot after bad shot


6 games ago the Rant thought he had the greatest offensive sets ever seen at LSU. Certainly far better than Wade's offense, which was in the top 30 nationally 4 of his 5 years at LSU.

The reality is the half court offense he runs is not terribly novel. Opponents know what is coming (and generally that is the case for most teams...this isn't football with multiple unique plays). The issue is opponents are getting more precise in taking away what LSU wants to run. Almost every "set" is ideally designed to get KJ or Miller a shot. The unexpected variable in the first two games was Hannibal getting to the rim at will. Opponents are now taking that away off the high screen. LSU will now have to adjust.

One question I have is why not allow Fountain a little more freedom behind the arc? He shot 38% at MSU in his Freshman year. Particularly when you have Miller (32%), Hill (29%), J. Williams (10%) seemingly with a green light? I guess it is because LSU desperately needs Fountain inside to rebound. But if he can show a little bit of a threat from deep it might create a bit more space to get KJ in the post and open driving lanes. At least stretch the defense a bit
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56160 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:19 am to
I dont know that it is plays. We get more open looks than we need usually. We are dumb in what shots we take. We have two layup opportunities last night and we heave up a three. Head scratcher.

Hill cant do it, Hannibal is not the answer...Miller is not a shooter it seems, and wont drive. I dont know what you do with them.
Posted by Geaux Guy
Member since Dec 2018
5249 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:25 am to
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Not sure there's any more tricks in the bag to fool anyone. The roster just sucks, bottom line.


It's basketball. There are always tricks in the bag.
Posted by Tigerfan14
Member since Jun 2014
780 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 12:03 pm to
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6 games ago the Rant thought he had the greatest offensive sets ever seen at LSU. Certainly far better than Wade's offense, which was in the top 30 nationally 4 of his 5 years at LSU. The reality is the half court offense he runs is not terribly novel. Opponents know what is coming (and generally that is the case for most teams...this isn't football with multiple unique plays). The issue is opponents are getting more precise in taking away what LSU wants to run. Almost every "set" is ideally designed to get KJ or Miller a shot. The unexpected variable in the first two games was Hannibal getting to the rim at will. Opponents are now taking that away off the high screen. LSU will now have to adjust.


Which shows how clueless LSU fans are when it comes to basketball. People don’t realize good offenses aren’t based around X’s and O’s. The “street ball” folks didn’t see that there was a method to the madness that made the offense effective. It’s more about philosophies than actual play calls. You need players who can make plays and the rest of the team adjusts in real time. There isn’t a team worth a damn that’s running 100% set plays.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
14445 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 12:21 pm to
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Not sure there's any more tricks in the bag to fool anyone. The roster just sucks, bottom line.



I don't think it's quite that dire, but I would say that I believe most folks had this team pegged as an NIT or even right below that to start the year.

I still think if you look at all the rosters in the SEC - the conference in which we compete - I've said before - I think we probably have about the 8th best roster, SEC media days picked us to finish 8th - I think that's about right and I think we will finish when all is said and done.

Now we can bemoan the roster all we want but in the last two games I think we performed below standard for the roster we have - relative talent considered. I can break down why I think that to be the case but I think many have better than I can so I'll stand with that for now.
Posted by LSU Neil
Springfield
Member since Feb 2007
2484 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 12:39 pm to
“Figuring out” implies the opponent has done something to stop lsu. Florida didn’t stop lsu from MANY MANY wide open shots. We just can shoot. Teams could back all defenders into the paint to stop lsu. We could be given wide open shots (except for KJ) behind the arc, and we’d miss them. We just can’t shoot.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28171 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 12:56 pm to
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“Figuring out” implies the opponent has done something to stop lsu. Florida didn’t stop lsu from MANY MANY wide open shots. We just can shoot. Teams could back all defenders into the paint to stop lsu. We could be given wide open shots (except for KJ) behind the arc, and we’d miss them. We just can’t shoot.


Just because a shot is wide open doesn't mean it is a "good shot". A big part of playing good defense is forcing guys the defense wants to shoot to taking those shots. For instance, teams, like Florida, want to run KJ (and to a lesser extent) Miller, off the three point line because LSU wants those guys taking those shots. Opponents are fine with leaving low % shooters like Hill, Hannibal (good finisher at the rim, but below average shooter) and others if that is the byproduct of them taking away the shots LSU wants. The opponent plays the percentages and figures if they give a bad shooter several open shots he'll miss way more than he makes. So they are willing to live with the one or two he does make.

This isn't football. You aren't going to shut an opponent out and you can't tackle them to keep from shooting. So good shot defense is contesting good shooters and giving open shots to the bad shooters you WANT to shoot.

Last night Florida did a decent (not great) job of contesting shots by Miller and KJ, while limiting Hannibal's driving lanes. To combat that LSU needed to find other scoring options and have some weaker shooter shoot above their averages. That didn't happen.
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