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re: Matt Canada -- Master of Disguise -- Pro Style Spread Offense
Posted on 8/5/17 at 6:52 pm to Space Cowboy
Posted on 8/5/17 at 6:52 pm to Space Cowboy
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Then how did his predecessor win coach of the year in 1997 you moonbat?
WHAT? Are you trying to claim that the 1997 coach of the year award went to Bob Simmons of Oklahoma State?
A coach who went 8-4 for the year and lost the Alamo Bowl was coach of the year? That's priceless! Mike Price of Washington State won the 1997 Eddie Robinson Coach of the Year Award. Lloyd Carr of Michigan won the Paul "Bear" Bryant Coach of the Year Award. The AP didn't start giving out Coach of the Year Awards until 1998.
frick moonbat, it ain't that hard to look this stuff up. Then again, maybe you're not smart enough to figure it out.
But if you're just going to make up stories and lie, carry on, you're doing a bang-up job of that.
By the way, Rickdaddy stated that Miles inherited talent that never won more than 5 games the previous 3 years. You came with the claim that the Oklahoma State coach won the 1997 Coach of the Year Award, which he didn't. Let's do the math together, Miles took over the Okie St. program in 2001, now subtract 3 from 2001....2000....1999......1998.....
1998 is the correct answer moonbat! 2001 minus 3 IS 1998! Good job cumguzzler. So you see, 1997 isn't even relevant to whatever point you were trying to make.
This post was edited on 8/5/17 at 7:21 pm
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Posted on 8/5/17 at 7:49 pm to earl keese
Back to the OP, I think the easy answer to successful offensive production under the last regime and how Canada's offense will exceed it is a matter of LSU's talent and philosophy.
Previously, LSU basically had the physical talent to beat most SEC opponents in the trenches with the exception of Bama and varying years, Auburn, Arkansas and Florida. There was a reliance on an ability to wear down or outmuscle opponents and any team that matched LSU was to only beaten through some gimmick plays or attrition as the game wore on.
Canada brings an offense that can play power football or finesse dependent on the match ups he faces. His whole philosophy is to exploit mismatches and to keep defenses off balance. His offense will not play conservative with a lead and LSU's defense will not struggle to get off the field like Pitt's D. There will be far more offensive opportunities during the game for Canada at LSU vs Pitt.
Simply put, in the regular season Pitt's lowest scoring game was 28 points (2X). After that they never scored less that 36 points. Conversely, this season LSU had 4 games with 14 or less points (all losses).
Previously, LSU basically had the physical talent to beat most SEC opponents in the trenches with the exception of Bama and varying years, Auburn, Arkansas and Florida. There was a reliance on an ability to wear down or outmuscle opponents and any team that matched LSU was to only beaten through some gimmick plays or attrition as the game wore on.
Canada brings an offense that can play power football or finesse dependent on the match ups he faces. His whole philosophy is to exploit mismatches and to keep defenses off balance. His offense will not play conservative with a lead and LSU's defense will not struggle to get off the field like Pitt's D. There will be far more offensive opportunities during the game for Canada at LSU vs Pitt.
Simply put, in the regular season Pitt's lowest scoring game was 28 points (2X). After that they never scored less that 36 points. Conversely, this season LSU had 4 games with 14 or less points (all losses).
Posted on 8/5/17 at 9:19 pm to BayouCowboy
quote:Meh, put them in the SEC and would drop.
Pitt's lowest scoring game was 28 points (2X).
I give you L'ville as example.
Posted on 8/5/17 at 9:28 pm to Mayhawman
They put 43 on Clemson who has top tier sec talent. And they were out manned.
Posted on 8/5/17 at 10:08 pm to Powerman
quote:One team and disregarding the grind.
They put 43 on Clemson who has top tier sec talent.
You suggest Pitt would've scored 28+ vs all LSU's schedule, or vs LSU?
Posted on 8/5/17 at 10:35 pm to Mayhawman
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One team and disregarding the grind.
You suggest Pitt would've scored 28+ vs all LSU's schedule, or vs LSU?
42 against Penn St, 36 against North Carolina, 36 against Va Tech.
Penn St played in the Rose Bowl, NC beat FL St and Va Tech was 10-4. All good opponents including the Clemson win. By comparison, I would imagine the same posters that discount Canada's offense also claim that LSU's wins were against weak SEC teams (defenses). Am I right?
Posted on 8/6/17 at 12:11 am to Space Cowboy
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Coach Les Miles at Oklahoma State inherited some pretty damn good football players from the previous coach he replaced and that obviously shouldn’t have been fired. Coach Les Miles didn’t recruit any of those players, instead, he was just very fortunate to have inherited those players after his predecessor had previously recruited them.
Do you even check facts before you post this bullshite?
The classes before miles got to okie st were ranked 40-50 in the nation. They were horrible. As soon as miles got there, his classes were ranked 20-25.
On the flip side, cutcliffe classes avg ranked 28 the 3 years before O got there. O took them to avg of 22.
So, facts show that miles inherited worse players at okie st than O did at ole miss. AND EVEN FUNNIER....les improved their recruiting by 20 POSITIONS! Where as O only improved OM by 6 POSITIONS. So As far as improving what they had to work with...les dominated O in W/L's AND recruiting.
So your entire post is completely inaccurate.
We're laughing at you, not with you.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 12:18 am to SportTiger1
I don't disagree that the guy is a moron but you can make up a lot more ground from 50 than 30
Posted on 8/6/17 at 12:22 am to Space Cowboy
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Man…you are a mega idiot. Everyone who has followed his career knows that Coach O didn’t want to be a damn coordinator.
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Again, like a loon you are blaming Coach O for a loss that wasn’t his fault, but his predecessor’s fault instead. Indeed, it wasn’t Coach O’s fault that LSU was still strapped down by Coach Les Miles extremely antiquated offense. If it had been left up to Coach O, we would have had a hell of a lot better offense installed. However, because he took over in the course of the season after your idol, Coach Les Miles was fired for mediocrity, there was no time to change the offensive scheme.
so you give O credit when our offense was breaking lsu records and remove blame from him when we play bad?
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r your idol, Coach Les Miles was fired for mediocrity, there was no time to change the offensive schem
you clearly don't understand the difference between a gameplan and a scheme. no one is suggesting we should have had schematic changes in the middle of the season. we should expect O not to use the same Miles gameplan that you've repeatedly bashed.
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Yeah, that’s exactly what I’m saying alright. Except in the case of Coach O, he has obviously made the LSU players far better than they were under Coach Les Miles,
far better? we still lost to the only decent sec teams we played during his interim tenure.
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It’s more like the other way around, you obviously don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. Indeed, compare Mike Gundy’s record relative to Coach Houston Nutt’s record, and it’s obviously clear that Coach Houston Nutt did astronomically far better with the players’ Coach O had recruited relative to the players’ Coach Les Miles had recruited at Oklahoma State.
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Bull shite! Then how did his predecessor win coach of the year in 1997 you moonbat?
with 8 wins( by far the best season since 1988.
Oklahoma State's record 5 years before Miles
1996- 5 wins
1997- 8 wins( best since 1988)
1998- 5 wins
1999- 5 wins
2000- 3 wins
ole miss' record 5 years before O
2000- 7 wins
2001- 7 wins
2002- 7 wins
2003- 10 wins
2004- 4 wins
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Those players Coach Les Miles inherited at Oklahoma State from his predecessor were actually pretty damn good players
if the talent Miles inherited at Oklahoma State was so good, why did only 3 of them get drafted from 2000-2003?
the talent Miles inherited was 3 nfl players from 1998- 2003
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In any event, had not Coach O been strapped down with Coach Les Miles’ incredibly lame offense, we would have won that game last season in Tiger Stadium you moron.
can you not finish a sentence without making a personal attack?
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Of course, that’s because Oklahoma State was a piss poor program compared to the LSU program you moron.
:lol: that was in reference to you saying Miles' inherited his talent at Oklahoma State.
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No, you spout bullshite. I spout facts.
you mean facts like Aranda doesnt want to be a head coach and he aspires to be a career position coach?
Posted on 8/6/17 at 12:25 am to Space Cowboy
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He’s not a career defensive line coach.
holy frick.
97% of his 32 year career has been as a position coach
Posted on 8/6/17 at 12:25 am to Rickdaddy4188
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you mean facts like Aranda doesnt want to be a head coach and he aspires to be a career position coach?
He is already a coordinator. What are you smoking? He probably has aspirations to take this job as a stepping stool the the NFL if anything.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 12:26 am to Rickdaddy4188
All irrelevant now. You're a moron.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 12:28 am to Powerman
Sure you can. But even speaking relatively, les made a bigger impact than O did. Not to mention OM should be recruiting at a much higher level than okie st.
Point is...Okie st when Les took over was in MUCH worse shape than OM circa 2005.
I'm pretty sure space cowboy is Os mom. That would explain this thread.
Point is...Okie st when Les took over was in MUCH worse shape than OM circa 2005.
I'm pretty sure space cowboy is Os mom. That would explain this thread.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 12:30 am to ShortyRob
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It was pretty obvious that this thread, even though about Canada, was about miles to Rick.
I didn't bring miles up. the fact that you can't see this isn't surprising.
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Miles is gone. You can stop trying to pretend Canada is barely different. It doesn't matter
at no fricking point habe I said they are barely different. my point was that since Canada doesnt have a set in stone philosophy he will scheme for our personal and not because he has a set offense. he has done it all based on his personnel.
it's amazing how the posters that are labeled miles defenders never bring miles into the thread.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 12:32 am to ShortyRob
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The board, with a couple exceptions, has largely put Miles in their rear view mirror.
as have i. do you see me starting threads about miles? do I bring miles up in threads that aren't about Miles?
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The board is focused on THIS season. But not the Miles brigade. You guys are STILL posting like we're in the middle of the 2015 season.
what the hell are you talking about? tell this to Space cowboy because I didn't brings miles up
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Get on board with 2017 man.
I am.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 12:39 am to Rickdaddy4188
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I didn't brings miles up
The 4th post of this thread goes from Space Cowboy talking about Canada to you posting this:
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it won't be a massive change because Canada uses traditional power run game schemes and formations. he also doesnt have a set in stone philosophy or scheme because he plays to the strengths of his players rather than forcing players into a scheme( miles).was
You indeed brought up Miles. In any event, back to the point of this thread, just look forward to this season and quit taking everything so freaking personally, just a suggestion.
Again, I'd like to reiterate that I have nothing personal toward you but you lately you have been a huge jerk in many threads. Just loosen up some, ok?
This post was edited on 8/6/17 at 12:48 am
Posted on 8/6/17 at 12:51 am to la_birdman
I've never defended or supported Rick in my internet life, but this space cowboy dude needs educating. Lol
Eta- I actually feel kinda dirty.
Eta- I actually feel kinda dirty.
This post was edited on 8/6/17 at 12:52 am
Posted on 8/6/17 at 1:18 am to Powerman
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is already a coordinator. What are you smokin
that's what space cowboy says. he says aranda doesnt want to be a head coach and he wants to have a career like Ensminger has had.
Spacecowboy.....
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Like I previously said, he loves Coach O and the coaching staff over here, his wife has taken a liking to Baton Rouge and his kids love their school, their teachers, and their friends. Indeed, he says that he wants to grow up and be like coach Ensminger one of these days, who is an assistant coach and not a head coach.
It doesn't sound to me that he aspires to be a head football coach.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 1:19 am to Powerman
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All irrelevant now.
it's the most relevant thing ever when discussing whether or not O had been a career position coach. it's literally the only relevant thing.
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You're a moron.
cool
Posted on 8/6/17 at 1:22 am to la_birdman
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The 4th post of this thread goes from Space Cowboy talking about Canada to you posting this:
I brought up a negative comment about miles.
space cowboy made it about miles vs o.
not me.
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