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LSU TE development under Coach Steve Ensminger 2010-present

Posted on 12/25/14 at 1:39 pm
Posted by brewhan davey
Audubon Place
Member since Sep 2010
32775 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 1:39 pm
Like many of you, I often seem to forget that pass catching TEs exist in our offense - particularly since Richard Dickson graduated. This position can play a pivotal role in keeping defenses honest, mostly by creating mismatches in coverage and/or giving the QB a "safety valve" option when going through his progressions.

Nevertheless, in the last 5 years, our TEs have essentially been transformed into "pass-eligible tackles" - rarely releasing from the LOS to try to get open downfield. While these guys have been instrumental in providing an extra blocker in the run game, their lack of production in the receiving game can be incredibly frustrating.

It is not like we have recruited duds at the position in the last 5 years. For instance, in 2010, we signed 4* Travis Dickson and 3* Nic Jacobs (eventually dismissed from the team). In 2012, we signed 3* Dillon Gordon. In 2013, we signed 4* DeSean Smith and 3* Logan Stokes (JUCO); and last year, we signed 4* Jacory Washington and 3* Colin Jeter (JUCO).

Although some of these guys were signed primarily as blockers (Gordon, Stokes, Jeter), the more "receiving-type" TEs have been sparingly utilized. What exactly is it that has inhibited the development of our TEs in the receiving game? Bad QB play? Maybe. But even during Mett's time at LSU, the TEs were hardly ever targeted.

One probability is the TE coach, Steve Ensminger. I just looked at the collective TE receiving statistics from 2010-present, and was shocked at the numbers. I knew that TEs were rarely used in our passing game, but to see the actual numbers was eye-opening. Below are the 5-year totals:

2010
Deangelo Peterson, 16 rec., 199 yards, 0 TD
Mitch Joseph, 5 rec., 51 yards, 0 TD
Chase Clement, 2 rec., 42 yards, 0 TD
TOTAL: 23 rec., 292 yards, 0 TD

2011
Deangelo Peterson, 18 rec., 181 yards, 1 TD
Chase Clement, 7 rec., 96 yards, 1 TD
Travis Dickson, 1 rec., 10 yards, 0 TD
Mitch Joseph, 2 rec., 9 yards, 1 TD
TOTAL: 28 rec., 296 yards, 3 TD

2012
Travis Dickson, 6 rec., 73 yards, 0 TD
Nic Jacobs, 5 rec., 58 yards, 0 TD
Chase Clement, 5 rec., 51 yards, 0 TD
TOTAL: 16 rec., 182 yards, 0 TD

2013
Travis Dickson, 5 rec., 109 yards, 0 TD
Dillon Gordon, 6 rec., 88 yards, 0 TD
DeSean Smith, 1 rec., 14 yards, 0 TD
TOTAL: 12 rec., 211 yards, 0 TD

2014
Travis Dickson, 7 rec., 60 yards, 0 TD
Logan Stokes, 1 rec., 3 yards, 1 TD
TOTAL: 8 rec., 63 yards, 1 TD

5-YEAR TOTAL: 87 rec., 1044 yards, 4 TD

The number that stands out to me most is the 4 touchdowns. Our TEs have averaged less than 1 TD per year since Ensminger's arrival at LSU. For a position that should thrive in the red zone, this statistic is pretty bad. I really hope that this begins to change in the next year or so, especially with DeSean Smith and Jacory Washington coming up in the mix. For a guy that collects a $310,000 salary - one of the highest in the nation for a TEs coach - I'd like to see a little bit more production from his group, especially in the red zone.
Posted by oldcharlie8
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2012
7801 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 1:41 pm to
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LSU TE
Posted by TampaTiger22
Tampa, FL
Member since Jul 2012
6669 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 1:46 pm to
We have TE's ? It's not April pal, you can't fool me
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 1:46 pm to
As you said, Gordon, Stokes, and Jeter are blocking TEs, and Washinton redshirted. DeSean Smith is only a sophomore with room to grow, so the only real "failure" is Travis Dickson.

But $310K for that production is absurd.

Oh. And O.J. Howard
Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
Member since May 2006
71418 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 1:47 pm to
Not throwing the ball to the TE can't really be blamed on him.
Posted by NeverRains
Texas
Member since Jun 2012
3010 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 1:49 pm to
I agree, but I think it has to do less with the TE coach and more with the offensive scheme and what type of plays we run. That's ultimately the responsibility of Les and Cam.
Posted by Mie2cents
the round part of earth
Member since Dec 2012
3462 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 1:54 pm to
quote:

Not throwing the ball to the TE can't really be blamed on him.

Yep. Stupid thread. We all know our tight ends don't get targeted enough.
Posted by MrWiseGuy
Member since Dec 2009
27418 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 2:03 pm to
How many teams in the NFL actually have good TEs?

Six, seven teams?
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16035 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 2:04 pm to
what stands out to me is the drop off from the already low number of receptions that occurred starting in 2012. 2012-14 are ridiculous. But I find it hard to blame the TE coach for this. They just aren't targeted in our system for some reason.
Posted by NotRight37
Nashville, TN
Member since Jul 2014
5843 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 2:09 pm to
Agree Willie
Posted by Shiftyplus1
Regret nothing that made you smile
Member since Oct 2005
13316 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 2:17 pm to
Ensminger is a hell of a recruiter, and yeah, he can't make LSU's crappy QBs throw the ball to them, if they can't look at more than one target.
Posted by jtran1988
Corndog U
Member since Oct 2008
5321 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 2:19 pm to
LSU TE - extended offensive tackle
Posted by brewhan davey
Audubon Place
Member since Sep 2010
32775 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 2:26 pm to
quote:

Ensminger is a hell of a recruiter, and yeah, he can't make LSU's crappy QBs throw the ball to them, if they can't look at more than one target.


Are you saying Mett was a crappy QB?
Posted by Mulerider
Member since Jul 2013
1615 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 2:45 pm to
quote:

What exactly is it that has inhibited the development of our TEs in the receiving game?


LSU's inability to adapt to the new wave of forward passing and competent QB play in today's game. TE's will miss 100% of the passes not thrown to them.

Posted by ryanlsu
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
1228 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 2:45 pm to
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Are you saying Mett was a crappy QB?


I wouldnt say that but I think he had better options last year than any tight end we had or anyone else had. And he seemed to lock into Beckham a lot (ole miss lost). And I definitely dont think Ensminger can get in Les's face and yell at him to throw to the tight ends more.
Posted by Abikaasa_Posti_Teel
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2007
2149 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 3:27 pm to
Have you an upvote buddy.
If our TE's were dropping passes or running the wrong routes, than you can make a case. But they are just nonexistent on the field in the passing game...so I don't think you can blame Steve Ensminger for that!
Posted by Gevans17
Member since Dec 2007
1134 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 3:35 pm to
Why bother. waste of money
Posted by NotRight37
Nashville, TN
Member since Jul 2014
5843 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 3:47 pm to
I like that Jtran1988......LSU TE = LSU Tackle Extended
Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29256 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 4:14 pm to
if they are going to only catch 8 catches a year just recruit more Offensive linemen

10 TE's and 6 on scholarship for 8 catches is insane
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56172 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 4:14 pm to
I am not sure of his value, but I don't think the TE production or lack thereof can be all on Ensminger. You could have Gronkowski out ther and I don't think he could catch it more than they throw it to him, and that is like 10 times a year.

I imagine Ensminger is as frustrated by this as much as anyone, or fire him, don't think it matters much.
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