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Lsu Softball analysis per hitter

Posted on 3/20/18 at 11:21 am
Posted by Bhs83
Member since Mar 2016
548 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 11:21 am
LSU SOTBALL BATTING ANALYSIS,

Just my opinion here. I am interested in what y'all think, per batter. ( I have re-typed this twice, apologies for its length, trying to condense as much as I can. Will break it up into two or three posts)

Some preliminaties.....

My opinion....the idea that Dobson has gotten all the hitters to do the same thing, I disagree with that. I was trying to find something that they all consistently do, something that would point back to their being coached, and there is just not a lot there. None of them bat the same. Not a single one bats like another, though they may share common flaws. They may incorporate some teachings, but its not an entire system that he is forcing on the batters.

If Dobson has his hitters shifting weight onto the front foot, he wouldn't be alone in that philosophy. He emphasizes weight shift, I see that on the video on Youtube, and he does have the batters shifting weight forward. I batted that way, and I don't think that's an extreme approach. The hitter at least goes forward. It is certainly better than having all the weight on the back foot.

If someone wants to hurl blame at the batting coach, they'd be better off accusing of doing too little rather than too much, because you just dont see a consistent approach, philosophy, stance, or swing among those who start. I am not sure that is even fair to him. He hasnt stripped the hitters of their individuality.

None of us, as fans, know what the coach is allowed to do, how far he is allowed to force the players to change what they are doing. I have never coached D1 softball or baseball, but I know in the high school years, both the players (and their parents) are fiercely protective of their batting style.

Jaquish's father was her coach, as we are told, and our batting coach deferred to him. I don't know how far that goes with the other players.

Regardless, if you look at some of the other schools, the batting coach's philosophy and teachings are noticeable throughout the lineup. ULL (Lafayette) was like that. They all seemed to do the same thing, the way they used their back elbow for power, forcing it downward. It's not always a bad thing to have a consistency in style among the hitters.

Anyway, what I am about to post, I must say that each of the players have the potential to go above 330-.340 if they got their mechanics right. Some will need an A-Z overhaul. I admit I did not see enough changes among those who are struggling due to their mechanics, but, again, I am not sure how far the coach is allowed to take making changes per hitter.

Where I went to school, you'd get out there for tryouts, and then practice, and if you were hitting well, they'd leave you alone. If you weren't, they'd sit you down, no matter how good at defense you were, and they'd give you a hitting system that was aimed at making you better, and you took it, because you could not refuse it, lest you be benched for good, or kicked off the team.

I waited for others to post up a “fix” for the hitters, just for discussion, and nobody offered. Here is mine...
Posted by Bhs83
Member since Mar 2016
548 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 11:23 am to
Andrews—finally leading off, where she belongs, Andrews has the ability to slap and tap, and swing away. She can hit to get on base, and she can hit to advance runners. As long as she is making contact, the defense has to make a perfect play to get her out. Any hiccups or bobbles will make it nearly impossible to throw her out. Her split grip may give her more control and lessen her strike out count. Nothing I would change with her. Pitch selection is probably the only issue for her.

Griggs-I am hoping she wins an ALL-SEC award this year. I can see she has tried to abandon slapping, and is getting her shoulder and hips into the ball, instead of being all arms when she swings. Outside pitches and left handed batters have been a problem for her. She has moved closer to the plate, finally, so she doesnt have to swat and hack at pitches on the outside corner. She also has to adjust better and not look like her feet are nailed down when she has to go after a pitch away from her. She is hitting well now, and I think we are going to see her reach potential. She does over-preload, with her step toward the pitcher being more of a stretch. It is true, the batter gains power by stepping with the front foot and leaving the hands back, but Griggs and Thornhill do over-stretch. A more modest preload would be better. For someone who is an exceptional defensive player, if she can leave LSU with a .320 career batting average, all her critics will be silenced. Pulling for her this year, I want her to do well, and she already is. Climbed out of a terrible slump and is really hitting now.

Schlattmann—Obviously a natural softball player, has potential, and any problems she might have can be fixed. What I do notice is that she launches with the bat too close to her head, drives the batdown, and then hangs on through the swing. Watch her warm-up swing and you will see what I am talking about. At mid point in her swing she looks like she is pulling the bat through the rest of its path. With the bat not flattening through the zone, timing becomes ultra-critical, and not just as to when she starts the swing, but at what point in her swing the ball makes contact with the bat. Her launch needs to start a little further from her head, step forward and the leave the hands where they are and go on a more horizontal path, to flatten the bat. Regardless, she has potential, and is only going to get better.

Doyle- Last year, I thought Doyle's problem was she obviously doesnt have the peripheral vision to point her head into the direction of where the ball will meet the bat, and has to turn her head toward the pitcher, then when the ball comes to the point of where it meets the bat, she is looking out the corner of her eye, which is why you may notice she doesnt follow the ball into the catchers mitt (last year). This year, an adjustment was made, and she bats from an open stance, looks right at the pitcher, and when the ball is on the way, she moves her front foot toward the plate.By the time the ball is in the area where her bat will make contact, she is looking right at it. This is the correct adjumstment for her. She is much more calm and confident this year. In the second game vs KY, she was going under the ball a bit, like all the others were. Low pitches are a problem for her, and since she is almost straight up, she dips badly sometimes chasing them. Best player on the team, my opinion. She has so much potential.

Springfield- Like Doyle, being more relaxed at the plate has made her a much, much better hitter. When she makes contact, she is driving the ball hard. What I see with her, though, is she, too, drives the bat down, too vertical at launch and then hangs on through the swing, which makes her a dipper, much like Serrett and Schlatmann. She has a big loopy, dipping swing, and it makes timing ultra-critical, like with the other hitters. She needs to flatten the bat through the zone. She often goes under the ball which is something we see too much of with LSU hitters. The fix for her would be to get her to start with a wider stance, elevate lower, start with the bat horizontal, get her eye level closer to the strike zone, and learn to swing level (see comments about Oklahoma's batters at the end). I'd start her at DP, and once she gets things squared away (she is almost there), she is going to be a monster. They wont field the zingers she hits. Bright future for her.

Sanchez—Like Quinn, Sanchez has the basic swing. Not too long, not too short. She doesn't have much that can be changed. Pitch selection may be an issue for her, but she is hitting the ball hard. I need to study her swing and approach a little more. She doesn't doing anything that is unorthodox.

Schulte- Schulte is another natural softball player, smooth and has a shortstop-second baseman throw. She launches the bat straight down but further back than Serret and the others do. She needs to launch more horizontally, moving forward more horizontally from her launch, rather than going straight down from the get-go. Because she goes downward so soon, she has the loopy, dippy swing and often goes under pitches. Easy fix for her, even though its mid season, she can work it in without missing much time.

Serrett-, Serrett is a good shortstop. Several things I would note about her swing. First, she launches the bat too close to her heard for having such a downward swing. Timing becomes very critical for her. She has a two point swing, down, and up, and not flat through the zone. She hangs on with both hands throughout the swing, and so the bat sometimes is on the way up when she makes contact. The bat path, in her swing, leaves a small window of time for optimum contact with the ball. Though she can hit, I think they need to do a whole A- Z “rethinking” of her swing. What is telltale about Serrett is when she has to change the path of her swing, to hit a pitch low, or inside, she takes heat off her swing and puts her focus on making contact, and she has punched the ball thru the infield doing this, hitting the ball squarely. It shows she has potential at the plate. Good hand to eye coordination, its just her swing makes her struggle with consistency. Change the bat path to a more horizontal swing, step away from the hands (leaving the bat behind) and then bring the bat downward. You can't carry the bat forward when you step and then bring the bat almost straight down across your chest. The bat does not seem to ever go behind her right shoulder, she launches straight down across the chest. I think that is her issue.

Antoine- A solid player, natural ball player with a decent swing. Its her first year, in time, we will see her improve. I would need to see a bit more before I could even guess at any fixes she might need. I dont see anything wrong. Need to see more of her before I could even take a guess at what she could do better. With time, she may rise above the others. Seems to be doing well now.

Posted by TFS4E
Washington DC
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 11:24 am to
Thanks, looks like you put a lot of time into this.
Posted by Bhs83
Member since Mar 2016
548 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 11:25 am to
Thornhill-like Springfield, she starts off with the bat standing up, close to her face, then she takes a long step, draws the bat back too far, overstretches on pre-load, ,and often she drops her shoulder and has that loopy swing. She loses power on her slow hip turn. This girl has so much potential, I hope they can correct that. Even as she is, if she gets her pitch, she is going to drive it to the outfield, hard. Bright future for her. Great, solid defensive player, flexible, can play just about anywhere. Cut down on the preload and put emphasis on making square contact. Start off with the bat horizontal, not standing up right in front of the face, cut down on the preload stretch, all you have to do is step forward and leave your hands behind, you dont have to stretch back, and go from there.

Weinberger—underrated, in my opinion. She has a great arm, plays defense very well. Her swing, though, doesnt flatten in the zone long enough, and like all the others with that problem, timing becomes so critical, and she not only has to start her swing at the right moment, she has to make sure she makes contact at the right part of her swing. When she gets her pitch, she can drive the ball hard. She hangs on throughout the swing and it makes it a down, and then up swing, which, as with the others, makes timing so critical. So much potential with her. She could be a star. If she ever transfers out, we are going to watch that happen.


Goff-- though she doesnt play much, like Thymes, who is a smooth player, Goff, in my honest opinion, has the best swing on the team. I know her stats are bad, she got called out on some horrible third strikes (like Griggs). Goff has an excellent swing, flat in the zone, and a great follow-through. Its a shame we dont see her more. I know people will say her average stinks... just so you know, it is much, much harder to improve an average if you get ONE at bat per game. Getting four chances will give you a better idea of what a player can do. Whoever taught Goff knew what they were doing. Nicky Dawson was another one who was well taught, who had a swing that was flat in the zone long enough to where timing wasnt so critical,.

A general suggestion.... when a player is not hitting, and has a strike out issue, like all of them do, the first thing you do is CONTRACT, shrink everything and put the emphaisis on CONTACT, then open up slowly from there.

Oklahoma—A suggestion..... go watch the Oklahoma game, watch the hitters. There is one thing they all do, consistently...they elevate themselves and bring their heads as close as possible with the upper strike zone level. That takes away the loopy swing. The way to get rid of that is to elevate during batting practice and learn to swing FLAT, and then make adjustments from there. That would fix a lot of problems LSU hitters have.

Some players to look at..... other than Oklahoma's lineup,,, Alyssa Rivera from Auburn, though she is struggling this year, she has a beautiful swing, pre season All SEC, Nicole Dewitt, another flathander with a good swing.

Just my .02 worth.


Posted by Bhs1983
Member since Feb 2018
391 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 11:32 am to
Off and on since the season started. Good thing is they all have the athletic ability to improve. I think by the time the SEC tournament comes around things will be better.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
67734 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 12:01 pm to
Thanks for the write up


Two things that stand out to me that hamper LSU hitters before the mechanics step in are

1. There is a MAJOR pitch recognition problem at lsu. This imo is a pretty big problem. Some are guessing half the time at the pitch. You see batters not close to coming in contact with anything. The ball is on the ground and you have hitters swinging at stuff at their heads.

2. Timing the pitchers is a pretty significant problem. Only two players as of now have been able to time pitchers correctly. Everyone essentially always late, which is why you see so many foul balls and a tremendous loss of power. Homeruns and extra base hits are damn near impossible if you can't find a way to time these pitchers


I will say what's common with every hitters is the they are all out on their front foot.

Also I do not know what is exactly relayed to each hitter but essentially everyone tries to dump the barrel out really under the pitches, it's why you see fly outs and pop outs almost all the time


Those aspects handicap hitters before the mechanics step in for most, the flaws in the hitters mechanics take away from their consistency
Posted by Bhs1983
Member since Feb 2018
391 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 12:54 pm to
One of the reasons for pitch recognition issues is from using the same pitchers for batting practice or using a machine instead of a variety of pitchers left and right handed with various junk.
Posted by Bhs1983
Member since Feb 2018
391 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 3:53 pm to
I personally thought the reason Florida beat LSU in the championship game (baseball) is because LSU was swinging off their back foot, trying to launch the ball over the fence, whereas Florida was trying to move baserunners with base hits. Just my opinion.

Weight goes toward the front foot, and may shift back toward the back at some point in the swing. Whether they are putting everything on the front foot, i dont know, but putting it all on the back foot is going to have them going under the ball a lot more.
Posted by 18handicap
Member since Jul 2014
5287 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 8:00 pm to
I know this was a lot of work and I respect your analysis, but I think our fans are going a bit overboard with the reactions this past weekend. I don't think I've ever seen this much analysis into each player on a LSU team as I have for softball. Everyone just needs to chill some or we're going to be labeled as worse fans than LSU baseball. Relax everyone.
Posted by Bhs1983
Member since Feb 2018
391 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 8:52 pm to
I do this every year. It's not a reaction to what happened over the weekend in Kentucky.

Lsu will get better, not worse.
Posted by Lsujacket66
Member since Dec 2010
4785 posts
Posted on 3/20/18 at 11:22 pm to
Dobson has always had that weight shift to front foot philosophy and it’s horrible. It makes them often off balance and that’s why we have such streaky hitters. If they’re timed properly then it gives them much more power but it makes it more consistent
Posted by Bhs1983
Member since Feb 2018
391 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 10:39 am to
A lot of people say that is the problem with LSU softball batters, they are out on their front leg.

I was watching a video of tony gwynn and wade boggs and then saw one about Bryce Harper. They shift their weight forward and onto their front leg. Willie Mcgee did too. I never met a batting coach who taught putting all tje weight or most of it on the back foot.

I am sure there are MLB players who bat off their back foot but those who hit for average seem to go forward and drag their back foot.
This post was edited on 3/21/18 at 10:41 am
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
67734 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 4:47 pm to
Some of the batters literally are all out on their front foot at times they look extremely off balanced. I really doubt that is what Dobson teaches. I know they shift their weight forward onto one leg


I am not quite sure why everyone continues to be so under the ball. Its not just one person its everyone.

For LSU to be able to take the next step forward, a few mechanical flaws in the batters need to be fine tuned and the pitch recognition has to be there. I am not sure how we fix the recognition part that quickly
Posted by Bhs1983
Member since Feb 2018
391 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 6:03 pm to
Really it looks at times like they got it in their head before the pitch is thrown they aint swinging. Some are surprised at the bad pitches we swing at. What bothers me is the good ones they let go by.

I thiught Landry struggled in her junior year because she wouldnt swing until they threw her a strike first. Too willing to walk is a bad philisophy to bring to the plate.
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