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re: LSU is not a rebuild. LSU hired O to avoid a rebuild.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:37 am to Freauxzen
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:37 am to Freauxzen
quote:I want a spread offense, no I mean I want a power run game and dual threat qb, uhhh no I meant we need a pro style passer like every program I've been at, err maybe spread with power...derrrrr
I still askk: What is O's vision for LSU football? How does he want to win games? How does he approach the game of football?
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:37 am to Damone
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Retrospect clearly has a lot to do with it. Before O was hired, there are probably only 4-5 names on that list who I would have been happy with. But now? I'd take every single person on the list over him.
This is a great point. When Alleva said the words that we wanted someone with an offensive background who has achieved at an elite level, that put about 3 names in play and that is who I was focused on and would have been disappointed if we didn't land one of them.
Had he said, the list is Jimbo, Herman, or O, I would have played him the sober comments of Ricky Bobby's Dad:
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That doesn’t make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth… hell you can even be fifth.
The if you ain't first, you're last coaching search was a monumental mistake. I would have GLADLY settled for Matt Rhule. How does Rapey Baylor make a better hire than LSU?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:38 am to The Egg
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yeah, Oklahoma is rebuilding huh
You guys are better than this. Oklahoma didn't fire the head coach. They went to playoffs 2 years ago and won 10 games last year. They are not rebuilding.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:38 am to moneyg
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However, you are confusing intent with reality. If reality dictates that a year or two of rebuilding is needed, it doesn't matter what the perception was at the time of the hire.
if we hired O to guide us through a rebuild then this is possibly one of the worst coaching hires in CFB history
i can buy continuity and say "that's life"
but hiring him FOR a rebuild? that literally makes no sense
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What I'm seeing is an OL that is undertalented and thin...and a DL that is very thin on the inside.
he kept our OL coach and primary OL recruiter and he was the former DL coach and primary DL recruiter
as frank maraist would say, that dog don't hunt
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:39 am to AshLSU
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This team wouldn't have looked much better had Miles not been fired. O is terrible, but so was Miles.
This right here, Tiger fans.
This is why we are in our current predicament.
Take a bow all of you fricking pussies that said any idiot could do what Miles did for 11 years.
Apparently, not ANY idiot can
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 9:39 am
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:39 am to moneyg
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What I'm seeing is an OL that is undertalented and thin...and a DL that is very thin on the inside. Those are the material significant issues that Orgeron inherited
Actually he didn't inherit all of that. It would have taken some time to be a legitimate championship contender. Because of some of the things he inherited, coupled with some of the things that happened on his watch, it gives the impression a total rebuild is needed.
He did absolutely nothing to improve upon what he inherited for the OL and DL on the 2017 team other than lose an additional 5 offensive linemen.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:39 am to SlowFlowPro
With that kind of talk, Coach O surely could have kept his job after talking with the Bobs
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:40 am to therick711
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I would have GLADLY settled for Matt Rhule.
forgot about him
he's awesome. legit amazing at constructing a defensive philosophy and coaching up defensive players
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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i did love that sales pitch
"HE REALIZED HIS MISTAKES AT OLE MISS AND IS NOT A MICRO MANAGER ANYMORE!"
so he realized he's a bad coach and deferred to better coaches (like, say, his former boss who is still DC at LSU). what, exactly, does O bring to the table? hell he refuses to even coach DL, the one thing he's pretty good at. the hell is he doing all day? he admits his coordinators are running the gameplanning, he's not coaching, and he was already recruiting coordinator previously. did he get promoted to a job that paid 3x as much while his workload decreased?
If you were ok with this plan (and Alleva was) you can never fire him because nothing is his fault. The offense sucks. That's Canada. Fire him. The D sucks. That's Aranda, fire him. Special Teams sucks, the staff delegated those duties amongst themselves, fire all of them. HIS WHOLE PLAN was that he wasn't good enough to do any of the nitty gritty so he would hire people to actually do the coaching and gameplanning.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:41 am to Damone
need LSUFreek to do that gif with O's head and "baw" added to the end
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:42 am to SlowFlowPro
I HAVE COORDINATOR HIRING SKILLS
I AM GOOD AT HIRING COORDINATORS
I AM GOOD AT HIRING COORDINATORS
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:42 am to therick711
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The offense sucks. That's Canada. Fire him. The D sucks. That's Aranda, fire him. Special Teams sucks, the staff delegated those duties amongst themselves, fire all of them. HIS WHOLE PLAN was that he wasn't good enough to do any of the nitty gritty so he would hire people to actually do the coaching and gameplanning.
yeah and that evil genius of it all is that he always gets to avoid blame b/c he's not responsible for anything b/c he doesn't do anything
let me pose this question for LSU nation: what would the reaction be if we had fired Aranda and promoted O to just DC?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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so he realized he's a bad coach and deferred to better coaches (like, say, his former boss who is still DC at LSU). what, exactly, does O bring to the table?
Well, look how the internal politics of the situation are playing out externally. O is in the perfect position where he can be absolved of all blame - Miles left the cupboard bare, Canada didn't execute, players are young, Aranda didn't execute, and so forth. Not one O-pumper is actually blaming the man in charge, because, you kind of can't.
I said when he was hired, he'll be impossible to get rid of for a variety of reasons, and his lack of responsibility in ACTUALLY COACHING FOOTBALL is the biggest one. He doesn't coach therefore can never be blamed for one field problems.
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he's not coaching, and he was already recruiting coordinator previously. did he get promoted to a job that paid 3x as much while his workload decreased?
Kind of brilliant isn't it?
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 9:44 am
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:43 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I hope the train puts us out of misery really quick, and that Miles is offered a coaching job getting paid a billion dollars
at least with a guy like Mullen we would have light at the end of the tunnel. with O, that light is blocked by an incoming train
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:44 am to SlowFlowPro
Jake how can you complain about Miles' downward trajectory for years but expect something different in year 1 of a new coach when they fire him(which was long overdue as we both know).
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:44 am to Freauxzen
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Kind of brilliant isn't it?
that plan must have been in the "Secret binder" that only O and FG had access to
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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any claim that O needs time to rebuild (in whatever manner the argument is posted) is complete and utter hogwash. one of, if not THE primary reasons that O was hired was to maintain continuity and talent (especially that recruiting class that apparently we could never live without, year after year).
Maintain continuity of what? 9-3 and 8-4 seasons? We fired a head coach and off coordinator last year based on results on the field. We are rebuilding a program.
We are 3 games in. By your definition, coach O still has a chance to meet or exceed your expectation of why he was hired.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:46 am to Circus Child
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Maintain continuity of what? 9-3 and 8-4 seasons?
Of contending for titles.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:46 am to therick711
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Even in 2008 and 2009 when LSU was in the wilderness, we took fricking care of State. Even had we not, we weren't getting beat by four touchdowns. You are just completely delusional if you think what happened last weekend was the result of a downward trend. If we lose, fine. Since when are we four touchdowns worse than State?
2008 & 09 didn't have a nick Fitzgerald or Dak on the team or Dan Mullen for that matter until 2009.
The game on Saturday got away from us. I'm not denying that. Still, I don't think it's verdict time on O. He may or may not be the man for the job. We don't know yet
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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so he realized he's a bad coach and deferred to better coaches (like, say, his former boss who is still DC at LSU). what, exactly, does O bring to the table? hell he refuses to even coach DL, the one thing he's pretty good at. the hell is he doing all day? he admits his coordinators are running the gameplanning, he's not coaching, and he was already recruiting coordinator previously. did he get promoted to a job that paid 3x as much while his workload decreased?
I've been pretty disappointed with O and how things went down back in January and on Saturday night, but there's been plenty of overreaction here that I've certainly been a part of. However, with that said, when he was asked about Guice's lack of playing time in the 2nd half and his response was "I don't know, I'll have to ask the running backs coach" all I could do was shake my head.
How in the world does the head coach not know why his star player wasn't in the game?
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