re: LSU is not a rebuild. LSU hired O to avoid a rebuild.

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We botched 2016 with championship talent. Now all that talent is gone. We're young & the returning players are not great. Analyze the damn roster &situation instead of just reading the headlines,

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Even in 2008 and 2009 when LSU was in the wilderness, we took fricking care of State. Even had we not, we weren't getting beat by four touchdowns. You are just completely delusional if you think what happened last weekend was the result of a downward trend. If we lose, fine. Since when are we four touchdowns worse than State?

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I do think there's a lot of overreaction going on in pinning this loss entirely on O and using it as an extrapolation on his ability to manage a winning program going forward.

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You'd have a point if O was either 1) A previously successful coach or at least 2) A previously mediocre/slightly above average coach (Miles' OSU record)

When you have O's kind of Head Coach record.....there is no other information to react to except that there is no logical quantitative or qualitative data that proves O can build a program or win as a head coach. So when this happens.....

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The goal posts have shifted again if you couldn't tell. The narrative has gone from a "consistency" hire to "this is a young team and he needs time to rebuild". Maddening.

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Since Orgeron was wrongfully elevated over his coaching superior BDP, there has been a large segment of this board that have gone away from process and results oriented analysis to feels and self-confirming analysis. This is because there wasn't an objective case for Ed based on what he did last year. There was only an emotional one. LSU made the same mistake in back to back seasons, it haled the siren call of emotion, rather than the tougher call based on the objective evidence. The problem with the O hire, as opposed to Alleva's lost power struggle with Les, is that it will take much longer to recover from this mistake.

I asked this question when he was first considered for the job: "If Orgeron was not already on the staff, would you fire Les Miles to hire him? If no, why not?"

This question should have been answered before 0 was even considered for the job.

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there has been a large segment of this board that have gone away from process and results oriented analysis to feels and self-confirming analysis. This is because there wasn't an objective case for Ed based on what he did last year. There was only an emotional one.

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the majority of the LSU fan base has been doing this for years with Miles, reaching it's apex with the TAMU win in 2015

remember back in 2012-2013 (and hell, before) when people would defend Miles b/c he was a great guy who loved LSU and wasn't mean like that successful Saban? it's like they made it up in their minds they'd rather personally like the coach's public front more than winning (at least as long as Saban coaches Bama)

these are the same people who act as if one recruiting class being disrupted by a coaching change would set back our program 20 years (b/c they follow recruiting and are emotionally invested in the guys who had committed and who may commit under the current regime and nothing more)

It's amazing anyone trying to rationalize O as anything but a disastrous hire.

He had one non-interim head coaching gig. He failed at historic levels even at a program that has been terrible for decades. He then tried to assuage fears not by claiming he had learned the necessary skills to succeed as a head coach that brings legit coaching prowess to the role, but rather that he learned he was so bad that any success is dependent on other coaches on the staff. This, of course, thereby necessitates an endless string of elite, performing hires when the previous inevitably moves on.

The model is retarded and everyone who can't understand that is either naturally unintelligent or willfully ignorant.

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LSU is not a rebuild. LSU hired O to avoid a rebuild.
any claim that O needs time to rebuild (in whatever manner the argument is posted) is complete and utter hogwash. one of, if not THE primary reasons that O was hired was to maintain continuity and talent (especially that recruiting class that apparently we could never live without, year after year).

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Don't view my comments as a defense of the hire of Orgeron. I've said many times on this site what I thought of that decision.

However, you are confusing intent with reality. If reality dictates that a year or two of rebuilding is needed, it doesn't matter what the perception was at the time of the hire.

What I'm seeing is an OL that is undertalented and thin...and a DL that is very thin on the inside. Those are the material significant issues that Orgeron inherited. On the DL, he has Shelvin and the transfer from Tech already on campus for next year. I expect he will solve that problem in the fairly short term. And, of course, that problem is something he deserves some responsibility for.

The OL issue is a problem that I think is years away from being fixed. And, Orgeron inherited that issue.

LSU is whatever the pumpers want it to be to fit their agenda. Four days ago we were 11-1 and playoff bound. Now it's a rebuild.

If we beat up on Syracuse and Troy the narrative will be we'll win out. Then when Auburn beats us it's back to "rebuild again, thanks Les." Who doesn't see that exact scenario playing out?

The only constant will be the Orgeron is not to blame for anything.

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He then tried to assuage fears not by claiming he had learned the necessary skills to succeed as a head coach that brings legit coaching prowess to the role, but rather that he learned he was so bad that any success is dependent on other coaches on the staff.

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i did love that sales pitch

"HE REALIZED HIS MISTAKES AT OLE MISS AND IS NOT A MICRO MANAGER ANYMORE!"

so he realized he's a bad coach and deferred to better coaches (like, say, his former boss who is still DC at LSU). what, exactly, does O bring to the table? hell he refuses to even coach DL, the one thing he's pretty good at. the hell is he doing all day? he admits his coordinators are running the gameplanning, he's not coaching, and he was already recruiting coordinator previously. did he get promoted to a job that paid 3x as much while his workload decreased?