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re: “LSU is kicking itself for not having a bigger event this weekend” - Shea Dixon

Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:46 pm to
Posted by Walnut
Houston, TX
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:46 pm to
user walnut reporting in from 2050, Coach O just needs more time to get his guys in and to undo all of the damage Les Miles did to the program. Once he finally can get rid of those CLM players that have already retired from the NFL maybe we'll start to see some eight win seasons
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:51 pm to
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You feel that being 4th in the conference, 3rd in the division, is going to be good enough? Hell, it's even simple yes or no answer.




If we are 6th overall each over the next 4 years, we will be in a great spot.

If we are 16th every year like last year, we will be in trouble.

So no, it's not really a yes/no question, because realistically we could finish 3rd in our division in both scenarios.

Our chances of beating those teams doesn't dramatically increase if we are 1 spot ahead of them in recruiting rankings.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:51 pm to
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SInce the other guy is scared maybe you could better explain (generally) what the difference is between the 5th & 6th ranked class each year?


Probably not much on a year to year basis.

If we got the 6th ranked class I wouldn't complain. I don't think we get there this year. We'll see.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
50915 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:55 pm to
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If we are 6th overall each over the next 4 years, we will be in a great spot.

If we are 16th every year like last year, we will be in trouble.


2018 LSU was 16th overall. 5th in the SEC, and 3rd in the division. 4 of the teams ahead of LSU are on the schedule on a yearly basis.

2019 LSU is 8th overall. 4th in the SEC, and 3rd in the division. 2 of the teams ahead of LSU are on the schedule on a yearly basis, and the 3rd is on the rotation for this season.

Remind me again, why did we fire Les Miles if what is listed above is "good enough"?
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:58 pm to
That exercise is best suited for after the season ends.
Posted by Solo Cam
Member since Sep 2015
34712 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:00 pm to
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Remind me again, why did we fire Les Miles if what is listed above is "good enough"?
Les could get the talent here but couldn’t win with it.
People, including myself, thought at the very least O would dominate recruiting and put a fence up around the state.

I’m really surprised that he’s losing river parish kids.
Posted by doubleb
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:00 pm to
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Remind me again, why did we fire Les Miles if what is listed above is "good enough"?

Les was canned because our record declined.

Les was canned because his offense was stagnant.

Les was fired because he wouldn't change.

Recruiting was not a major reason Les was fired.

O was hired for one reason, to make Joe Alleva look like he knew what he was doing after he got schooled by the Herman people.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
50915 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:00 pm to
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2018 LSU was 16th overall. 5th in the SEC, and 3rd in the division. 4 of the teams ahead of LSU are on the schedule on a yearly basis.

2019 LSU is 8th overall. 4th in the SEC, and 3rd in the division. 2 of the teams ahead of LSU are on the schedule on a yearly basis, and the 3rd is on the rotation for this season.


Do you believe this is good enough? Just answer the question.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:06 pm to
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People, including myself, thought at the very least O would dominate recruiting and put a fence up around the state.


That is what Alleva was selling.
We all bought that part.
Posted by Stephen1979
Member since Oct 2016
5754 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:08 pm to
But we've since learned that recruiting is pot luck and the head coach has little influence on those matters of recruit choice of school so I don't understand why everyone is bashing Eaux. It's not like it's his job to sell recruits on the school and program. He can't do anything about it if a kid just doesn't grow up loving LSU. Be fair guys
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
13058 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:24 pm to
True, one place or three makes little difference outside the top three of four teams. The talent hauls among the top two or three teams are much greater than the rest over the last few years, and for the last two, Georgia and Alabama have begun to place distance between themselves and "the rest". There is a talent gap and we are losing.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:33 pm to
I just did. 16th overall is not good enough. You even responded to the post
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
50915 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:38 pm to
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I just did. 16th overall is not good enough. You even responded to the post


How long are you going to continue dancing around those in conference numbers?
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33887 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:39 pm to
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2018 LSU was 16th overall. 5th in the SEC, and 3rd in the division. 4 of the teams ahead of LSU are on the schedule on a yearly basis. 2019 LSU is 8th overall. 4th in the SEC, and 3rd in the division. 2 of the teams ahead of LSU are on the schedule on a yearly basis, and the 3rd is on the rotation for this season.


Right, you can't get a 16th ranked class, follow that up with a 6th ranked class and say "we comin."

You need to balance out that 16th class with a top 3 class or better, or consistently pump out 6th ranked classes. One 6th ranked class does little as far as closing that gap if we're mixing in some classes in the teens.
Posted by Four Leaf Tayback
Member since Aug 2017
1621 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:43 pm to
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LSU and uga are on two different levels right now. Elite and not elite. The difference isn’t a bitch excuse. It’s legitimate


The HC has everything to do with this. If LSU had hired a proven or up and coming coach they’d be about the same.
Posted by drdoct
Atlanta, GA
Member since Oct 2015
1609 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:45 pm to
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But we've since learned that recruiting is pot luck and the head coach has little influence


Please tell me you're trolling. The head coach has EVERYTHING to do with influencing kids to come. I know people don't want to believe it, but having a prestigious coach who can connect and show the kid how good of a fit he would be is where it's at. It doesn't just happen. It's a huge business.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:46 pm to
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How long are you going to continue dancing around those in conference numbers?


Gotta agree with Lester here.

If we're top 5 overall and 3rd in division, that is fine. 16th and 3rd in division that is not.

We can't ever complain if we get top 5 recruiting classes just because UGA, Bama, and A&M had better ones. If we consistently recruit top 5 we can beat anyone and everyone.

16th, no bueno.
This post was edited on 7/30/18 at 3:49 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:47 pm to
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You need to balance out that 16th class with a top 3 class or better, or consistently pump out 6th ranked classes. One 6th ranked class does little as far as closing that gap if we're mixing in some classes in the teens.



Orgeron has only had 1 class & you talk like he's had 5 or 6.

What is the point of projecting future data when there is no sample size to even predict what might happen next year or the year after?


16th class isn't good enough. But if that jumps 10 spots the next year, that is a positive. As far as predicting the 3rd year, it is wait and see.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:48 pm to
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Please tell me you're trolling. The head coach has EVERYTHING to do with influencing kids to come. I know people don't want to believe it, but having a prestigious coach who can connect and show the kid how good of a fit he would be is where it's at. It doesn't just happen. It's a huge business.


Head coach also picks the staff. Saban hires elite recruiters all over his staff.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:48 pm to
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How long are you going to continue dancing around those in conference numbers?




The conference numbers are irrelevant

if 3 of the top 5 classes are from the SEC west, I don't give a shite if we are 3rd. Simple as that.
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