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LSU is a better job than Florida - Head Coaching Comparison
Posted on 12/5/21 at 8:34 am
Posted on 12/5/21 at 8:34 am
I’ve made a LSU vs Florida Head Coaching statistics comparison based on the discussion of Kelly vs Napier and my previous thread of just historical LSU Coaching stats - LINK
* Y2NC = # of years to first national championship
Takeaways:
(1) LSU continues to make coaches and is the better program to coach - "LSU is taking a break from being king maker by hiring a king". Excluding Kelly and Napier and using the averages
----- LSU: pre-LSU - 47%, at-LSU - 64%, post-LSU - 40%
----- Florida: pre-Florida - 69%, at-Florida - 66%, post-Florida - 59%
(2) Florida has historically hired better coaches (pre-school win %: LSU - 50%, Florida - 70%) and they are much quicker to fire a coach even with a good overall record (see Mullen, McElwain, Zook)
(3) LSU & Florida have very similar programs and have had basically the same number of coaches over a similar period
----- LSU: 1955-1921 - 521-252-16 (66%) with 10 coaches
----- Florida: 1960-21 - 495-222-11 (68%) with 10 coaches
(4) With both programs, never hire a coach without previous head coaching experience (LSU - Archer, Stovall, Florida - Muschamp, Zook)
(5) The only pre-LSU outliers: Curley Hallman (64% - had Brett Farve all 3 years), Nick Saban (61% - no need to discuss) & Brian Kelly (73% winning percentage)
(6) Except Saban, no LSU coach has had a successful head coaching career after LSU. Several Florida coaches have had successful careers after they left Florida (Meyer, Spurrier, Hall)
From the previous post:
(7) If Paul Dietzel stays, we might be a blue blood
(8) If Bill Arnsparger doesn't leave for the Florida AD job, we don't have the 90s (when I went to school)
This post was edited on 12/5/21 at 9:03 am
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Posted on 12/5/21 at 8:53 am to bisceaux
Nice analysis. I do think LSU has made average coaches look better than they were. This data certainly makes a case as compared to Florida.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 9:06 am to bisceaux
LSU definitely a better job, although you can argue that the path is a little easier in the sec east. Although that will all be changing soon
Posted on 12/5/21 at 9:07 am to CEOTiger
quote:That could really be the main take home message of this comparison. I didn't coin the quote, but "LSU is taking a break from being king maker by hiring a king" says it all. Very happy with this hire and it is so out of the norm for LSU
Nice analysis. I do think LSU has made average coaches look better than they were. This data certainly makes a case as compared to Florida.
Also - don't hire unproven coaches. Maybe Napier turns out to be the next Saban, but probably not
Posted on 12/5/21 at 9:16 am to bisceaux
Less competition in recruiting than Florida. If you keep the Louisiana talent than you can be a title competitor every year. Great atmosphere! I believe it is by far!
Posted on 12/5/21 at 11:01 am to bisceaux
Gainesville>Baton Rouge
Posted on 12/5/21 at 11:06 am to bisceaux
Why the incessant need to compare LSU to everyone and everything.
Quit worrying about all that and believe in what you are and work to improve.
Project confidence and reject inferiority
Quit worrying about all that and believe in what you are and work to improve.
Project confidence and reject inferiority
Posted on 12/5/21 at 11:11 am to bisceaux
All one really needs to know is that Miles and Orgeron won national titles here to know how plum of a job this is.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 11:12 am to lsuohiofan
quote:
Less competition in recruiting than Florida. If you keep the Louisiana talent than you can be a title competitor every year. Great atmosphere! I believe it is by far!
CEO didn't finish the fence in time - Ed Orgeron, LSU Football Building that Fence Around Louisiana Recruiting
Posted on 12/5/21 at 12:00 pm to bisceaux
I don't know how much it matters which is the better job. I just look at a program and think do they have enough? LSU and UF both have enough to win NCs with the right people in place.
I don't think it matters if one program is say 10% or 15% better than another, if one has a bad coach and the other has a great coach I take the one that will use what he has to the best of its ability.
I don't think it matters if one program is say 10% or 15% better than another, if one has a bad coach and the other has a great coach I take the one that will use what he has to the best of its ability.
This post was edited on 12/5/21 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 12/5/21 at 12:04 pm to Goldrush25
If Kelly is being paid around $3 million more than Napier is at UF….One has to assume the expectations are higher at LSU…So how many more wins a yr are expected at LSU since that coach is being paid $3 million more per yr?
Posted on 12/5/21 at 12:24 pm to MEd LSU
quote:How dare we compare LSU to other programs on an LSU football message board
Why the incessant need to compare LSU to everyone and everything.
Florida just hired a coach who was less than 1 hour west on I-10, so yeah it is understandable that people have been passionate about this hire. I personally think we made the right hire - we went against our tendencies and hired a proven winner at the highest level
quote:You are either a travel baseball coach or a motivational speaker, which one?
Quit worrying about all that and believe in what you are and work to improve.
Project confidence and reject inferiority
Posted on 12/5/21 at 1:09 pm to bisceaux
The fact you cannot resist the urge to compare LSU to Florida is all I need to know.
Carry on.
Carry on.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 2:34 pm to guttata
quote:I think he is actually only making ~ 2 million more per year - Kelly at 9.5 & Napier at 7.4. Based on only math, that is ~ 20% more, so that is the difference between a 10-win season & an 8-win season.
If Kelly is being paid around $3 million more than Napier is at UF….One has to assume the expectations are higher at LSU…So how many more wins a yr are expected at LSU since that coach is being paid $3 million more per yr?
However, I think it comes down to risk. Napier might be the next Saban, but there is a risk involved in hiring a coach without proven experience in Power-5 conference. Also, wasn't Jimbo the first assistant coach to beat Saban this year?
Posted on 12/5/21 at 3:24 pm to TDFreak
quote:The fact that a Florida fan replies to a thread that he didn't actually read is all I need to know.
The fact you cannot resist the urge to compare LSU to Florida is all I need to know. Carry on.
If you would have read the post, you would have seen I had pretty good things to say about Florida - you have basically the same record as LSU, you have historically hired better coaches, and your coaches do better after they leave Florida. Our hire of Kelly was outside the norm for our typical head coach hire.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 3:29 pm to guttata
Napier will prove to be a better coach at Florida than Kelly at LSU.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 4:14 pm to Swazla
quote:And what makes you think this? His record at ULL? What about Kelly makes you think Napier is the better coach?
Napier will prove to be a better coach at Florida than Kelly at LSU.
Kelly: 263-96-2 (73%) at 4 schools vs Napier: 39-12 (77%) at 1 school
Posted on 12/5/21 at 5:49 pm to bisceaux
Someone who knows more about just about everything than you sonny boy
A punk like you could learn a lot from someone like me
A punk like you could learn a lot from someone like me
Posted on 12/5/21 at 6:43 pm to MEd LSU
quote:Someone who says this likely knows very little about nothing
Someone who knows more about just about everything than you sonny boy
quote:I haven't been called this in 30 years, but I'll take it as a compliment from a guy that knows so much more than me
A punk like you could learn a lot from someone like me
Posted on 12/5/21 at 8:36 pm to bisceaux
It’s ok sonny boy. One day when you grow up you be more self confident
You proved your stupidity with the constant need to compare things
What would happen to you if you’re wife compared you to other men
You proved your stupidity with the constant need to compare things
What would happen to you if you’re wife compared you to other men
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