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MrLSU
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LSU BB related "Oregon's Title IX Investigation of Kavell Bigby-Williams's Alleged Rape"
Why Oregon's Title IX Investigation of Kavell Bigby-Williams's Alleged Rape Stalled Before It Began

Not a good look for Oregon at all and LSU needs to terminate this guy today from the Men's basketball team. 3 witnesses are hard to counter against his "consensual sex" with an unconscious woman defense.

According to the police report, the woman told Tibbetts that she thought she was assaulted because she woke up naked with soreness and bleeding in her vagina. She went to the hospital afterward and got a pregnancy and STD test, the report shows. She said to Tibbetts that she wasn’t sure how she got the bruising on her neck, but that “it hurt.” According to the police report, the woman told Tibbetts she “did not want to get anyone in trouble.” (In June 2017, Bigby-Williams told police that sex with the woman was consensual. He was not charged and did not respond to multiple requests for comment.)

According to the report, Tibbetts took photos of the bruising and two dark stains on the woman’s sheets and collected her clothes and sheets as evidence. Tibbetts interviewed three of the woman’s roommates who were in the suite the night of the incident. The first roommate told Tibbetts the woman was drunk and throwing up into a trashcan around midnight. Another roommate said the woman was passed out in her bed when she checked on her. Two of the roommates told Tibbetts they questioned Bigby-Williams the day after the incident, after noticing the woman was upset. According to the roommates, Bigby-Williams admitted to having sex with her, but he insisted it was consensual.
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GCTiger11
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re: LSU BB related "Oregon's Title IX Investigation of Kavell Bigby-Williams's Alleged Rape"
I see Oregon, read it as Orgeron
See Orgeron, read it as Oregon


Wes225
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re: LSU BB related "Oregon's Title IX Investigation of Kavell Bigby-Williams's Alleged Rape"
He was cleared off all charges by police...


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Eric Nies Grind Time
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re: LSU BB related "Oregon's Title IX Investigation of Kavell Bigby-Williams's Alleged Rape"
Whoa...yeah that is bad.


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LSUButt
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re: LSU BB related "Oregon's Title IX Investigation of Kavell Bigby-Williams's Alleged Rape"
Not trying to be insensitive, but things like this are a slippery slope. Because she has bruising in a place does not mean she was raped. I've had a couple of wild nights where the next day it looks like a tiger ripped my back off.

Innocent until proven guilty. He was cleared of all rape allegations. He shouldn't crucify the kid without more evidence and/or a conviction.


Eric Nies Grind Time
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re: LSU BB related "Oregon's Title IX Investigation of Kavell Bigby-Williams's Alleged Rape"
You can read that article and really say it doesn't sound like he had sex with a passed out woman?


jdrn21
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re: LSU BB related "Oregon's Title IX Investigation of Kavell Bigby-Williams's Alleged Rape"
these he said/she saids are tough.

could he have raped her?
sure

could she be full of shit?
sure

I'm not going to say he's a rapist cause she said he is. If not a judge or juror. and I'm not saying this because he's a LSU athlete



I really have a hard time believing anyone, unless they are criminally insane, would have sex with someone who was passed out.





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re: LSU BB related "Oregon's Title IX Investigation of Kavell Bigby-Williams's Alleged Rape"
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You can read that article and really say it doesn't sound like he had sex with a passed out woman?

what about the fact that the alleged victim didn't consider it sexual assault?


Eric Nies Grind Time
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re: LSU BB related "Oregon's Title IX Investigation of Kavell Bigby-Williams's Alleged Rape"
False rape accusations are very rare.


Shadowlink
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re: LSU BB related "Oregon's Title IX Investigation of Kavell Bigby-Williams's Alleged Rape"
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According to the roommates, Bigby-Williams admitted to having sex with her, but he insisted it was consensual.
I know college kids are stupid, but if you had sex with an unconscious woman why would you admit to anything?


SlowFlowPro
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re: LSU BB related "Oregon's Title IX Investigation of Kavell Bigby-Williams's Alleged Rape"
quote:

could she be full of shit?
sure


just to post this again

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Klinger provided a statement from UOPD Chief Matt Carmichael, speaking on behalf of the department. “The material received from NWCCD (Gillette College) Police made clear that this was a third-party complaint, that the alleged victim did not see herself as a victim of a crime, and she clearly wanted to be left alone. The voice of a survivor is the key to an investigation. The other material provided did not undermine or invalidate her words.”


Eric Nies Grind Time
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re: LSU BB related "Oregon's Title IX Investigation of Kavell Bigby-Williams's Alleged Rape"
I am guessing they found his semen so he had to admit to it. Not sure though.


Eric Nies Grind Time
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re: LSU BB related "Oregon's Title IX Investigation of Kavell Bigby-Williams's Alleged Rape"
She also said that she did not want to get him in trouble. Rapes are a severely under reported crime.


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re: LSU BB related "Oregon's Title IX Investigation of Kavell Bigby-Williams's Alleged Rape"
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I am guessing they found his semen so he had to admit to it. Not sure though.


He admitted to the roommates the next day. Did they investigate for semen? Or did you just not read anything?


Eric Nies Grind Time
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re: LSU BB related "Oregon's Title IX Investigation of Kavell Bigby-Williams's Alleged Rape"
Good point about next day. They did collect the sheets so maybe they would have found it eventually so he admitted to it then.



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SlowFlowPro
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re: LSU BB related "Oregon's Title IX Investigation of Kavell Bigby-Williams's Alleged Rape"
the alleged crime happened in Wyoming and was investigated by Wyoming LEO

UO has no business investigating an incident out of its state that occurred prior to matriculation...that has been closed by the actual investigators


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re: LSU BB related "Oregon's Title IX Investigation of Kavell Bigby-Williams's Alleged Rape"
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Klinger provided a statement from UOPD Chief Matt Carmichael, speaking on behalf of the department. “The material received from NWCCD (Gillette College) Police made clear that this was a third-party complaint, that the alleged victim did not see herself as a victim of a crime, and she clearly wanted to be left alone. The voice of a survivor is the key to an investigation. The other material provided did not undermine or invalidate her words.”


The criminal investigation concluded there was no reason to bring charges. The slant of the article is to defame Oregon for not adequately kicking these claims into the Title IX kangaroo court. The same type of proceeding that saw USC's kicker get suspended from school and the football team because SOMEONE ELSE thought he was assaulting his girlfriend despite the fact the girlfriend told all involved she was not assaulted.

Could he have had sex with an unconscious woman? Sure. But the "victim" wasn't the one who went to the police nor did she even consider herself a victim. So why was there a need to investigate alleged behavior which:

A. Didn't warrant criminal charges following a police investigation and

B. produced no "victim"?


km
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re: LSU BB related "Oregon's Title IX Investigation of Kavell Bigby-Williams's Alleged Rape"
transfer to Baylor


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lsu1919
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re: LSU BB related "Oregon's Title IX Investigation of Kavell Bigby-Williams's Alleged Rape"
Well, there's definitely no red flags when a guy plays for three schools in his career. None at all.



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Dizz
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re: LSU BB related "Oregon's Title IX Investigation of Kavell Bigby-Williams's Alleged Rape"
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UO has no business investigating an incident out of its state that occurred prior to matriculation


A local LEO would have a hard enough time investigating this. Who in their right mind thinks an educational institution could properly investigate something with facts like this.

The fact that universities are tasked with investigating and issuing findings on possibly the most difficult crime to investigate is beyond me.


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