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re: LSU athletics and poorly constructed facilities
Posted on 3/24/21 at 8:11 am to Paul Allen
Posted on 3/24/21 at 8:11 am to Paul Allen
Tried way too hard for it to resemble the old box instead of just building an up-to-date stadium
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Posted on 3/24/21 at 8:31 am to Bengal26
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Tried way too hard for it to resemble the old box instead of just building an up-to-date stadium
No doubt the new Box is plain, and it’s really not on the campus like the old Box was.
But down by the River you are limited somewhat. You really can’t build a sunken stadium. The water table is do high there. Well maybe you could and spend a fortune in French drains, pumps and waterproofing, etc.
You could build a condo and then folks would complain that it’s just for the rich, etc.
Upgrading seating down the foul lines and in the outfield would be nice. That and a few more amenities would be better for the fans, but what we have now is what we have to work with and improve.
This post was edited on 3/24/21 at 10:04 am
Posted on 3/24/21 at 9:13 am to Paul Allen
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This one truly is mind boggling. I just don’t get it. For being less than 15 years old and coming off a dominant decade in the 90’s and being a household name across baseball, you’d think that the new stadium would have been state of the art.
I don’t know how many of you remember this but there was significant resistance to building a new baseball stadium. One of the top priorities of the administration back then was to create a stadium that was similar to the old Alex box stadium. They just wanted to add suites.
And what happened is we were the first of the new college baseball stadiums. And just like Baltimore’s Camden yards we got passed by newer, more modern facilities built after us
Posted on 3/24/21 at 9:30 am to Tigeralum2008
quote:It sure was.
I don’t know how many of you remember this but there was significant resistance to building a new baseball stadium.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 9:35 am to doubleb
quote:The only "improvements" they've made for the fans have been adding more suites and the bigger scoreboard and the extra scoreboard if you can count those. Everything else has been for the field/players. Adding turf down the lines, the batting cages and new workout room. The locker room, training room, and game room have mostly remained the same except for a few updated pieces.
but what we have now is what we have to work with and improve.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 9:37 am to mametoo
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What is your reason that they have so few home meets or were you just trying to be funny?
Honestly, it's because we're constantly hosting High School indoor meets and LSU gets crowded out of it's own building.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 9:39 am to Tigeralum2008
quote:Not quite. Founders Park was built in 2009 as well. It was better from the start. Baum was built in 1996 and it had all chairbacks added in 2003. It was renovated again in 2006 to add suites and more chairbacks to hold over 10k. It was the standard and we couldn't even match it.
And what happened is we were the first of the new college baseball stadiums. And just like Baltimore’s Camden yards we got passed by newer, more modern facilities built after us
Posted on 3/24/21 at 9:53 am to Breric
quote:People need to get away from this false narrative. The new Box was never the first of its kind.
The Box was simply constructed at the wrong time. It was the first of its kind
Posted on 3/24/21 at 9:55 am to Adam Banks
We live in a copy cat world, think about it when the box was built it was one of the nicest college park at the time, everyone afterwards takes that model and adds to it.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 9:56 am to The Hurricane
quote:Nope Nope Nope
The Box at its infancy was the best
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:00 am to Tiger 50
quote:Baum was better before ours was even begun. They had suites and all chairbacks and could hold 10k. The only thing LSU had over anyone else was the champions club. Basically an extra tier for season ticket holders who didn't want to put up for a suite but wanted similar amenities.
when the box was built it was one of the nicest college park at the time, everyone afterwards takes that model and adds to it.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:08 am to ell_13
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The only "improvements" they've made for the fans have been adding more suites and the bigger scoreboard and the extra scoreboard if you can count those. Everything else has been for the field/players. Adding turf down the lines, the batting cages and new workout room. The locker room, training room, and game room have mostly remained the same except for a few updated pieces.
I agree, improvements for the regular ticket holder has been minimal. A majority of the improvements has been for the players.
We see the same argument with the PMAC and Wade’s desire to upgrade the player’s facilities.
There isn’t an unlimited supply of money, but considerations have to be made and the fans should be taken into consideration. Would improvements sell more tickets, more concessions, etc? That ultimately is the driving force.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:13 am to doubleb
quote:Concessions maybe. Tickets no. Because adding all chairs would lower capacity but it's my opinion that LSU would have more people at games because people would be more likely to show with a more comfortable experience.
Would improvements sell more tickets, more concessions, etc? That ultimately is the driving force.
I forgot to add Hammons Field btw. That place was built for Missouri State and a St. Louis Double A team and was legit from the start in 2004.
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The stadium is unique due to its baseball specific outbuildings. The stadium currently has two large buildings just outside the right-field walls. The larger of the two serves as a fully furnished indoor practice facility complete with astroturf, batting cages, and a small diamond for drills. The smaller building serves as administration, including General Manager offices, as well as housing both home teams' clubhouses, a cardio workout facility, and the physical trainer's office.
The stadium is also furnished with 28 luxury box suites. 25 suites are on the luxury box suite level which also houses a VIP Lounge and an executive kitchen. These suites feature a bar area with a mini-fridge as well as a balcony area with up to 12 stadium seats with personal speakers. The remaining three suites are on the Press Box level. These suites are all penthouse style suites and are considerably larger than their lower counterparts. Instead of featuring balconies, these units style two large sliding glass windows that allow for spectacular and unparalleled views of the stadium and playing field. Only two of the Press Box level suites are available for use. The largest of the three is a personal suite for Mr. John Q. Hammons, owner of the facility.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:19 am to ell_13
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Not quite. Founders Park was built in 2009 as well. It was better from the start. Baum was built in 1996 and it had all chairbacks added in 2003. It was renovated again in 2006 to add suites and more chairbacks to hold over 10k. It was the standard and we couldn't even match it.
How big was Baum-Walker when it opened in 1996? 4 thousand?
LSU couldn’t build a stadium that small. Baum evolved.
They started small and added a lot of seating,
We started big and haven’t added much or improved much.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:22 am to doubleb
The renovations in 2003 and 2006 cost as much as a whole new stadium. It wasn't like they couldn't build a new big one if they didn't want to.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:26 am to ell_13
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The renovations in 2003 and 2006 cost as much as a whole new stadium. It wasn't like they couldn't build a new big one if they didn't want to.
They started Baum in 1994. The demand wasn’t that great.
The later renovations were due to the demand. They just had joined the SEC and had to upgrade.
When Baum opened they were all excited to average over 3 thousand fans a game. No, they weren’t going to build if bigger.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:30 am to Nix to Twillie
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There is absolutely nothing special about a berm and I’m glad we don’t have one.
Ask me how I know you've never sat in the Outfield at Ole Miss...
Ole Miss hit a Grand Slam, and mostly by accident. The University looked the other way with ice chests in the outfield in the 90s and it just grew into something absurd. They have worked to make that outfield more user friendly and to capitalize on its unique topography. They also managed to monetize the outfield.
To say there is nothing special about 500 or more rowdy students in the outfield is just being intentionally obtuse.
BYOB and BBQ Grills make for a great time at any sporting event.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:32 am to doubleb
quote:Which was good for 6th nationally.
When Baum opened they were all excited to average over 3 thousand fans a game.
I'm not saying Baum was built to be better. I'm saying it was the standard and better than what LSU built in 2009. Just because they didn't build it that way doesn't make that wrong. And let's look at what they invested since they built. It was finished in 1996 and already head 3 renovations in 9 years with a major one coming for year 11. The new Box has had only 1 major renovation (adding suites in 2012). The RF and LF bleachers no one would call a "renovation."
ETA: Wiki doesn't even consider the additional suites as a renovation.
This post was edited on 3/24/21 at 10:34 am
Posted on 3/24/21 at 10:59 am to ell_13
Baum is the “standard” how so?
What makes it the standard ?
What makes it the standard ?
Posted on 3/24/21 at 1:32 pm to doubleb
Opened at the same time the Box did at a cost of 35.6 million.
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