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re: LSU AD Clearly Does Not Understand Economic Substitution: Parking

Posted on 11/22/10 at 5:40 pm to
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 11/22/10 at 5:40 pm to
If you believ either one of the two "facts" you just touted is true, then I have no hope for you to understand what this is all about.

At the end of the day, LSU is one entity. Some of my tax dollars fund 300K of Les Miles' salary. That is a fact. Also, if you think that this parking money will not find its way into budget gaps in other parts of the university, you are naive. LSU in its entirety will try to make as much money from as many avenues as possible all while supposedly trying to cut cost. That is the bottom line. Now, if you are upset that you are being lied to about "clean up" cost, then you have a point. But it does not take an ecomics degree to truly understand what LSU is doing and will continue to do.

Once things pick back up, these fees will stay and LSU will grow. Very few universities save money. When their is a budget shortfall, they explore every avenue to raise income and lower cost. When there is a surplus, they retain a minimal amount, but spend the rest on growth strategies. Parking fees are just part of an elaborate university-wide plan. If you want to raise hell, you should do so when they are appropriating funds during the surplus years. That is the time to plan for things like this. Right now it is too late, so the bitching will fall on deaf ears.

Edit: According to a lettor from LSU Chancellor Michael Martin, the LSU atheltic Department is not funded by a single state tax dollar. I am researching more to find out the LSU AD income sources. Will update accordingly.
This post was edited on 11/22/10 at 5:49 pm
Posted by BT
North La
Member since Aug 2008
9766 posts
Posted on 11/22/10 at 5:41 pm to
im not able to get all over campus but I have gone from nrth side of parade grounds to ceba more than once during game time... Im not saying there hasnt been 30k outside but IMO its certianly the execption not the rule.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 11/22/10 at 5:43 pm to
Yes I do. The money is already being spent. There is no additional investment which results from this situation. New money spent on parking has to come from another source.
Posted by Croozin2
Somewhere on the water
Member since Dec 2004
3378 posts
Posted on 11/22/10 at 5:43 pm to
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So those who spend the $600 more on Parking will take it from somewhere else:


At least all the current squalling would lead you to believe so. Next Fall, the sting will have subsided and those that want to "party" on LSU's campus will pony up.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 11/22/10 at 5:45 pm to
Yea, you have no clue how LSU's Auxilary services work...
Posted by D500MAG
Oklahoma
Member since Oct 2010
3965 posts
Posted on 11/22/10 at 5:48 pm to
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Why should the athletic ticket holders pay for everyone else's tailgate spots?


You sound like someone someone who thinks they are entitled just because they have a season ticket. I understand the two views on this.

Do you think that just cause someone shows up on game day and doesn't go inside that they don't contribute to LSU.

Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 11/22/10 at 5:48 pm to
No shite but what do you not understand that the money has to come from somewhere else? An entity that was either receiving donations or paying sales taxes.
Posted by Croozin2
Somewhere on the water
Member since Dec 2004
3378 posts
Posted on 11/22/10 at 5:49 pm to
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Im not saying there hasnt been 30k


We obviously don't count the same!
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60733 posts
Posted on 11/22/10 at 5:51 pm to
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The money is already being spent. There is no additional investment which results from this situation. New money spent on parking has to come from another source


so you are also assuming everyone that will pay for parking will not get a raise?

you're right the money has to come from somewhere, but its a relatively small sum for individuals, so I seriously doubt it has an impact on the local economy or the number of people on campus. Its not like att for WKU will be 60,000 because of this for example. Its not like some local business will close down because of lost revenue. A bad team would have a bigger impact imo.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133550 posts
Posted on 11/22/10 at 5:53 pm to
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LSU is now going to charge around 80-85% of those attending Football Games for parking starting in the 2011 season.
I don't agree with your numbers. How did you arrive at that percentage?
Posted by Croozin2
Somewhere on the water
Member since Dec 2004
3378 posts
Posted on 11/22/10 at 5:58 pm to
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Do you think that just cause someone shows up on game day and doesn't go inside that they don't contribute to LSU.


Again, never said that. And, for the record, I'm not entitled to anything - I pay for what I have. Nobody is guaranteed anything in this world. When/if LSU Football becomes unaffordable for me, I will have to make a difficult decision - Simple as that.

However, we are talking about parking for a FOOTBALL GAME, right? Isn't that what the whole campus is geared for that day? The garbage cleanup that is taken out of the 92,600 tickets is based on just that - 92,600 people's garbage. Why should I pay for thousands of other people's garbage through my tickets. Would it make everyone feel any better if they were charged a garbage fee when they drove onto campus?

This is a simple equation. There are more people coming to LSU's campus than the university has funds to clean up after - period.
This post was edited on 11/22/10 at 6:03 pm
Posted by Croozin2
Somewhere on the water
Member since Dec 2004
3378 posts
Posted on 11/22/10 at 5:59 pm to
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A bad team would have a bigger impact imo.


Ding, friggin Ding!!!!!! Winnah!!!
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133550 posts
Posted on 11/22/10 at 6:00 pm to
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That dumpster still has to be emptied at a cost to someone (LSU). The disposal fee is based on weight. It costs to get rid of your party waste whether you put it in a dumpster or not. Multiply that times the amount of people not paying for seats, parking, RV's etc.



This is already included in the ticket price.
Where does it say that on the ticket?
Posted by BT
North La
Member since Aug 2008
9766 posts
Posted on 11/22/10 at 6:02 pm to
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We obviously don't count the same!


you just made a smartass comment thre psts ago that I sure do get over campus fast to count all these people...:huh:

Then you post the above....You know something I dont?
This post was edited on 11/22/10 at 6:03 pm
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133550 posts
Posted on 11/22/10 at 6:03 pm to
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And I'd imagine a large number of these individuals who are outside the game watching at a tailgate are somewhere on that TAF list
Did you know there are only 12,471 members of TAF?
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34201 posts
Posted on 11/22/10 at 6:04 pm to
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Why should I pay for thousands of other people's garbage through my tickets. Would it make everyone feel any better if they were charged a garbage fee when they drove onto campus?


yes, I have no problem paying a trash surcharge on season tickets. Just want to make sure the pigs on the parade grounds who instigated all this mess pay their trash surcharge too.

I pay $280 to be able to park at LSU to work. I wish that parking permit and pass could let me park on campus for 6 games a year but it does not.
Posted by Croozin2
Somewhere on the water
Member since Dec 2004
3378 posts
Posted on 11/22/10 at 6:04 pm to
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You know something I dont?


Only what LSU reports.
Posted by D500MAG
Oklahoma
Member since Oct 2010
3965 posts
Posted on 11/22/10 at 6:05 pm to
Well it sounded like you felt that if people don't actually go into the stadium they shouldn't go at all.

Just saying that if LSUAD only had the 92,000 tickets to depend on they would be needing to come up with more than 1.7MM .

Is the 1.7MM for garbage pickup ?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91320 posts
Posted on 11/22/10 at 6:06 pm to
You continue to assume that the money will be taken from TAF or the BR economy. You have no grounds on which to base that assumption. You are going to donate less in order to pay the fees. Joe Blow is going to pass on his new TV at the Best Buy in Houma in order to pay the fees. Jon Smart will buy his TV like normal and make the normal amount of donations, and he will also move his tailgate to one of the many free remaining locations because he understands that he never owned that "spot" and he is not a self-righteous individual who has sone superstition about his "traditional" spot and his amazing tailgate.

By the way, you are obviously not Jon Smart.
Posted by Croozin2
Somewhere on the water
Member since Dec 2004
3378 posts
Posted on 11/22/10 at 6:07 pm to
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yes, I have no problem paying a trash surcharge on season tickets. Just want to make sure the pigs on the parade grounds who instigated all this mess pay their trash surcharge too.


OK, how would we enforce that? Weigh everyone's trash after the games? Charge everyone the same amount, like $20 a game?? Sounds kinda like a parking pass.
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