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re: Letter to the Advocate editor regarding Jordan Jefferson

Posted on 8/31/11 at 2:17 pm to
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 8/31/11 at 2:17 pm to
quote:

I bet it wouldn't be acceptable to the "it was a bar fight" crowd if Jordan Jefferson would have been on the recieving end of those kicks and missed half the season with broken bones.


I'll take that bet. I'll even give you 2000000000000 to 1 odds on it. You're gonna be rich. You just have to give me your bet and I'll repay you when you are correct.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 8/31/11 at 2:18 pm to
quote:

If you were walking down the street and someone attacked you and beat you, would that bother you? Why is it that assault somehow becomes acceptable if it is committed in or around a bar late at night and all parties are inebriated? You have a right to use reasonable force to defend yourself. Do you really think that is what happened here?


What if you jumped out of the bushes and punched someone who subsequently whipped your arse like a little bitch?
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
87399 posts
Posted on 8/31/11 at 2:20 pm to
quote:

Imadouche Warner, PiihB


Posted by beachtiger777
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
666 posts
Posted on 8/31/11 at 2:38 pm to
you cant kick people while they are on the ground.i cant believe he had to do that.the cat was already down and out.come on JJ.i think JL will do fine.look for randle to have a good year now.
Posted by Cadello
Eunice
Member since Dec 2007
48803 posts
Posted on 8/31/11 at 2:50 pm to
quote:

No but he loses what he's worked for the last 3 years and that will affect the rest of his life.

He can't get that back.



he made a bad decision - no one forced him to break curfew and (possibly) get involved in a fight...before you say "everyone does it", no they really don't. some people can make poor decisions and it doesn't affect them at all, this time it did for JJ (and the team)...it sucks, but once you run this rabbit, it comes right back to where it started - JJ making a poor decision that he can't undo...

My post didn't mean to let him go if he's guilty, but surely, if he's innocent.
Breaking the curfew isn't grounds to dismiss any player in itself.
Posted by geaux99
Wamegeaux, KS
Member since Aug 2005
1619 posts
Posted on 8/31/11 at 3:00 pm to
quote:

if it hurts his draft stock with NFL teams, you could have a discussion on the topic


I would play the Tigers offensive game footage from the first half of last year for the judge/jury. I'm certain that will mitigate the damages portion of the lawsuit. I bet his annual 4 TD's and 9 INT's will garner quite a payday.

Posted by TigerTailsSoup
Member since Sep 2005
10839 posts
Posted on 8/31/11 at 3:03 pm to
Too Long. Don't have all day to read that. I'll wait for the paperback to come out
Posted by SPEEDY
2005 Tiger Smack Poster of the Year
Member since Dec 2003
86889 posts
Posted on 9/1/11 at 6:57 am to
quote:

Dear Editor,

I am an LSU graduate living in exile in Fairhope, Alabama. Like many avid alumni here I watch and read with great interest everything related to our revered LSU Football team. Today we exist in the throes of the budding Information Age; which is both a blessing, and an apparent curse.

Last week was difficult for Tiger fans. They watched the investigation of a routine bar fracas escalate into the hunt for Bin Laden, ending with the surreal confiscation of 49 pairs of Jordan Jefferson’s tennis shoes and the pervasive swabbing of his mouth for DNA.

Police officers are commissioned to exercise discretion while protecting and serving under the U.S. Constitution and its subsequent, ratified amendments. Particularly, the fourteenth amendment guarantees equal protection under the law, regardless of race, religion or national origin—even if the person in question is a high-profile college athlete of the Internet age.

Rarely do bar fight investigations draw such scrutiny. However, given the sensational impact of the 24-hour news cycle on ongoing college sports coverage, an otherwise mundane incident became the cause celeb du jour on the eve of college football’s anticipated kickoff; which brings me to my point.

The early, incident-related comments from LSU’s athletic director, Joe Alleva, chimed accusatory. Consider his recorded statement:

“We will not tolerate student athletes whose irresponsible actions tarnish the good name of a great university. LSU student athletes are expected to behave with the understanding that they represent their school, their fellow students and the long history of this program, regardless of the time of day.

“Coach Miles has already begun taking disciplinary action. It is critical that we are deliberate in determining the facts regarding this incident, and as Coach Miles said, when the facts are clear, additional and appropriate action will be taken if necessary.”

Joe Alleva has experience in controversy, and it’s not a laudable track record. He was the athletic director for Duke University in 2006 when four Lacrosse players were accused of rape. At that juncture Mr. Alleva jumped to conclusion and prematurely determined that the Duke student-athletes were guilty of the crime against a female prostitute. Joe Alleva accepted her dubious testimony over that of the boys and that of their supporting head coach. Further, Alleva forced the resignation of the Duke Lacrosse coach, after he had promised to stand by him as the investigation proceeded in its normal, deliberate course. In this case, according to the coach, Alleva broke a solemn pledge to one of his coaches and exercised notably poor judgment by jumping to conclusion without the benefit of conclusive evidence. He acted on a hunch—and it cost him, and the university—big time. Does anyone else notice a trend in Mr. Alleva’s reactions?

The four Duke Lacrosse players were eventually exonerated in a court of law and each received a multi-million dollar defamation settlement, as their names had been unfairly dragged through the muddy kangaroo court of public opinion—presided over by the hardly impartial, self-appointed, Judge Joe Alleva.

When one carefully reads the aforementioned prepared statement by LSU’s “highly successful” athletic director (the LSU website’s dubious description of his Blue Devil tenure), you sense the same lack of sensitivity to the truth and respect for the wholly American notion of being innocent until proven guilty that irrevocably tarnished Alleva’s theretofore professional reputation. How this incident was casually overlooked by the LSU Board of Supervisors during his hiring and confirmation process remains a mystery as big as what really happened in the morning twilight outside Shady’s bar over a week ago, and further, what the true motivations are by those in power who machinate to serve their own selfish political agenda.

In defense of LSU’s much-maligned quarterback, Jordan Jefferson, it does not take a constitutional lawyer to realize that he has not received due process. Further, Coach Miles has, in my opinion, prematurely rendered punishment, as it is not certainly known whether Jefferson is guilty of the alleged battery charges. Perhaps Mr. Alleva’s noted, knee-jerk preference for doing what he feels is “politically correct,” has affected the situation?

Like in the Duke rape imbroglio, it is my belief that Jordan Jefferson, if found not guilty of battery by additional, exculpatory evidence put forth by his new attorney, Lewis Unglesby, has a possible ripe libel lawsuit in the making, as it appears that local law enforcement and the LSU brass, for whatever selfish motivation, have already rendered him guilty as charged.

Moving forward after this week, Jordan Jefferson should be reinstated, as it is his senior season, and as such, his eligibility clock is ticking. If he is not allowed to play, Jordan Jefferson, like the former wrongly-accused Duke student athletes, could wind up being a millionaire at the expense of the taxpayers, resulting from the poorly exercised judgment of a few administrative “professionals.”

Christopher E. Warner, Ph.D.









This post was edited on 9/1/11 at 6:58 am
Posted by hedgehog
Prairieville
Member since Oct 2006
2477 posts
Posted on 9/1/11 at 7:04 am to
Coach Miles suspended JJ for not being honest about the situation. The Dean of Students can also suspend a student that is arrested for a felony. Let the police do their job, please.
Posted by NimbleCat
Member since Jan 2007
8933 posts
Posted on 9/1/11 at 7:22 am to
I do not agree.

If the charges are dropped, Jefferson should be reinstated (but not as the starting QB.)

Until then, No.

I also think it is chicken shite that he is pushing for reinstatement with these charges hanging over him.
Posted by Bobby Moore
Red Hill, Mississippi
Member since Jun 2005
17751 posts
Posted on 9/1/11 at 7:23 am to
quote:

I do not agree.

If the charges are dropped, Jefferson should be reinstated (but not as the starting QB.)

Until then, No.

I also think it is chicken shite that he is pushing for reinstatement with these charges hanging over him.



agree....JJ is done at LSU though.......
Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 9/1/11 at 7:24 am to
quote:

Coach Miles suspended JJ for not being honest about the situation. The Dean of Students can also suspend a student that is arrested for a felony. Let the police do their job, please.

Sanity!
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49047 posts
Posted on 9/1/11 at 7:28 am to
quote:

Coach Miles suspended JJ for not being honest about the situation.




I suppose that's why he instantly declared Jefferson and Johns suspended when the charges were made against them . . . . .because Jefferson wasn't honest about the situation.


You guys crack my shite up.
Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 9/1/11 at 7:39 am to
He suspended him because of the arrest

But JJ's alleged story being different from the pd report also played a factor don't you think?
Posted by Wideman
Arlington, Virginia
Member since Jul 2005
11721 posts
Posted on 9/1/11 at 7:44 am to
quote:

But JJ's alleged story being different from the pd report also played a factor don't you think?
what makes you think JJ's alleged story isn't the truth? What makes you think he was dishonest?
Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 9/1/11 at 7:47 am to
quote:

what makes you think JJ's alleged story isn't the truth?


quote:

Jefferson's father, John Jefferson, said it "would really, really surprise me," if his son was involved. "He's not like that," John Jefferson said. "He doesn't go out very much, and he doesn't drink."

John Jefferson said he was first alerted to the matter this morning when LSU Coach Les Miles' office called because it could not reach Jordan by phone. Jefferson called Jordan, who was sleeping but returned the call 30 minutes later, John Jefferson said.

"He said he didn't know anything about a fight," John Jefferson said. "He told me 'I've been here four years, and I know it ain't worth it. When I see something going down, I leave. I have too much to lose for that.' "
Posted by Paulu
Mandeville
Member since Dec 2006
4440 posts
Posted on 9/1/11 at 7:59 am to
Alleva is a worthless POS. What has he done to improve anything?
Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
31493 posts
Posted on 9/1/11 at 8:01 am to
quote:

SPEEDY


funniest didtnt read Ive seen yet.
Posted by DalTXTiger
Dallas
Member since Mar 2007
131 posts
Posted on 9/1/11 at 8:03 am to
quote:

So if a player 'allegedly' shoots and kills someone, we can't suspend him until his conviction? Is that what we are saying now? He was charged with a felony! That can't go without any sort of discipline from football. He's still on scholarship and in school. It's not like his life is over...he still has his...gasp....degree after this year.


+1
Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 9/1/11 at 8:09 am to
quote:

So if a player 'allegedly' shoots and kills someone, we can't suspend him until his conviction? Is that what we are saying now?


You're talking about irrational fans on the rant
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