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re: Letter to the Advocate editor regarding Jordan Jefferson
Posted on 8/31/11 at 11:46 am to OweO
Posted on 8/31/11 at 11:46 am to OweO
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Josh Johns is a backup linebacker.. Jefferson is a starting QB, it has to do with their role on the team.
Why? Don't they both deserve whatever the ranter lawyer wannabes and Lou think is their due process? Their relative contributions to the team shouldn't enter into it, if it does, then you will open a whole other debate.
Let's play ball and support the players that will be taking the field representing LSU!
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Posted on 8/31/11 at 11:46 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:My perspective is this is a rush to guilt thing, though I see how it is possible to perceive as you are stating.
I kind of agree, but everyone seems to be on this rush to innocence thing.
quote:Agree.
I would sit him a couple games, no more.
Posted on 8/31/11 at 11:48 am to Antonio Moss
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as a counterargument, I could simply submit the names Ben Roethlisberger, Brett Farve, Cam Newton, Ray Lewis, etc., etc., etc.
Did they not sever some kind of punishment for the actions?
Posted on 8/31/11 at 11:50 am to lctiger
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and how do you know he didn't?
Because he was arrested by BRPD after a week of investigation and we now must let the legal system, not CLM, prove his innocence or guilt. If it is proven he was not there this would be the blunder of the century for BRPD and I'm willing to bet he was there!
Posted on 8/31/11 at 11:53 am to Bobby Moore
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......I don't care if he is a 237th year senior, he should not play for LSU........
Right, everyone knows being charged equates to being guilty.
Of course, the Duke guys and others would disagree with that, but what the hell...he broke curfew and gets what he gets, huh.
Posted on 8/31/11 at 11:55 am to Darren
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as a counterargument, I could simply submit the names Ben Roethlisberger, Brett Farve, Cam Newton, Ray Lewis, etc., etc., etc.
Did they not sever some kind of punishment for the actions?
You didn't understand his point. He said that it is silly to offer platitudes like "Champions act like champions all the time," because a lot of 'Champions' (Roethlisberger, Favre) are actually stupid assholes when they are not busy winning championships. There is very little correlation, if any, between character and athletic success.
Posted on 8/31/11 at 12:03 pm to bayoutigernutjob
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IF JJ would have left the bar when the b.s. started going down, he would NOT have had a problem. JJ should NOT have been there, and he should have been smart enough to leave when the crap bag started to explode
(Nola.com)Interesting interview by Times Picayune LSU beat writer Jim Kleinpeter with John Jefferson, JJ's father."He said he didn't know anything about a fight."John Jefferson said, also adding his son also said"I've been here four years and know it ain't worth it.When I see something going down, I leave.I have too much to lose for that.Seems there is no way to get even close to the truth without letting the legal system sort out the actual truth or at least attempt to find the truth.Unfortunate mess.
Posted on 8/31/11 at 12:11 pm to Chris Warner
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Moving forward after this week, Jordan Jefferson should be reinstated, as it is his senior season, and as such, his eligibility clock is ticking. If he is not allowed to play, Jordan Jefferson, like the former wrongly-accused Duke student athletes, could wind up being a millionaire at the expense of the taxpayers, resulting from the poorly exercised judgment of a few administrative “professionals.”
Amazing how everyone is a victim these days. A millionaire based on what?? If he truly is a pro prospect and doesn't play this season he has another year to prove it on the field. I guess there was no poor judgment exercised by the accused, just the administrative "professionals" Biggest nonconference regular season game for LSU in 25 years and we are all supposed to feel sorry for one individual player rather than worry about the actual game on the field.
Posted on 8/31/11 at 12:16 pm to Darren
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Did they not sever some kind of punishment for the actions?
My point was to show multiple examples of "champions" being in less than ideal situations.
Posted on 8/31/11 at 12:18 pm to Chris Warner
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Christopher E. Warner, Ph.D.
University of Phoenix
Posted on 8/31/11 at 12:23 pm to TigerWoody
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My perspective is this is a rush to guilt thing,
I don't see the "rush to guilt thing." I suppose if you read select articles and cherry pick your threads on TD.com you may think so. Seems to me the overwhelming opinion is that JJ is being "railroaded."
I don't even care about whether he is guilty or not, in fact it's probably something none of us will ever know. Charges will be dropped for insufficient evidence or pled down to a misdemeanor, and specifics will probably never be known. All I care bout is what is fair to him and Johns as student athletes. Unless they tried to kill the guy, a couple of games is enough.
Posted on 8/31/11 at 12:24 pm to LafourcheTiger
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University of Phoenix
Posted on 8/31/11 at 12:24 pm to jhhingle
Okay, let's say JJ kicked this douche in the face. I'll go on the presumption that he did for this exercise. Given what I have seen of Lowery's behavior, 2 game suspension. Be done with it. JJ will be exonerated or plea down to a misdemeanor
Posted on 8/31/11 at 12:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Unless they tried to kill the guy, a couple of games is enough
Posted on 8/31/11 at 12:28 pm to Chris Warner
To Chris Warner: Replace "second degree battery" with a different felony like manslaughter or aggravated rape. What, praytell, would you ask of Miles then? Do arrested and charged felonies have different degrees of suspension enforcement?
In short, revoking a suspension for a player that the police have in fact arrested for a felony sets a horrific precedent, particularly when the apparent victims have significant physical injuries as asserted.
This is why the "Alleva screwed the Duke rape thing up" is nothing but a self-serving red herring. Period.
As for this incident, there is no question Jefferson was present. There are questions as to what he did or did not do. Police have investigated, served a warrant, reviewed evidence (likely, some of which the public is not privy to), and deemed it sufficient to arrest Jefferson and Johns. I for one seriously doubt the police would make such a bold move involving the senior starting QB one week before the start of the season, without considerable evidence.
If they do not, then Jefferson has quite a claim against them and their credibility in Baton Rouge will be terribly harmed. At this point, however, we simply do not know.
But considering what we honestly do know, and until other information comes to light that exonerates Jefferson, Miles has made the correct decision.
In short, revoking a suspension for a player that the police have in fact arrested for a felony sets a horrific precedent, particularly when the apparent victims have significant physical injuries as asserted.
This is why the "Alleva screwed the Duke rape thing up" is nothing but a self-serving red herring. Period.
As for this incident, there is no question Jefferson was present. There are questions as to what he did or did not do. Police have investigated, served a warrant, reviewed evidence (likely, some of which the public is not privy to), and deemed it sufficient to arrest Jefferson and Johns. I for one seriously doubt the police would make such a bold move involving the senior starting QB one week before the start of the season, without considerable evidence.
If they do not, then Jefferson has quite a claim against them and their credibility in Baton Rouge will be terribly harmed. At this point, however, we simply do not know.
But considering what we honestly do know, and until other information comes to light that exonerates Jefferson, Miles has made the correct decision.
Posted on 8/31/11 at 12:38 pm to STEVED00
No player on this team or in NCAA football should ever be allowed to play while a Felony charge is hanging over their respectives heads, ever.
If JJ wants to clear his name of any wrong doing then he should just polygraph and get it over with.
If JJ wants to clear his name of any wrong doing then he should just polygraph and get it over with.
Posted on 8/31/11 at 12:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Unless they tried to kill the guy, a couple of games is enough.
Posted on 8/31/11 at 12:41 pm to Chris Warner
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“We will not tolerate student athletes whose irresponsible actions tarnish the good name of a great university. LSU student athletes are expected to behave with the understanding that they represent their school, their fellow students and the long history of this program, regardless of the time of day.
What do you think LSU students and alum do?? JJ is absolutely representing.
Posted on 8/31/11 at 12:41 pm to YouAre8Up
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If JJ wants to clear his name of any wrong doing then he should just polygraph
There is a reason they are inadmissable.
Posted on 8/31/11 at 12:44 pm to Jester
If JJ and his attorney take a plea deal, then JJ was guilty as charged the whole time.
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