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re: Letter to the Advocate - Unhappy fans
Posted on 1/21/10 at 6:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 1/21/10 at 6:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Here is a link to John Coopers career at Ohio St. Last two conference records are identical to LSU's last two.
3-8 bowl record and 2-10-1 against Mich. might have had just a little to do with his heave ho.
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Posted on 1/21/10 at 6:25 pm to Polar Bear
Posted on 1/21/10 at 6:30 pm to Number 3 is my Hero
Hey, Number 3 is my Hero. Go post on an ACC board. We don't care to have your opinion here. Have a nice day.
Posted on 1/21/10 at 6:31 pm to TG
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Hey, Number 3 is my Hero. Go post on an ACC board. We don't care to have your opinion here. Have a nice day.
Posted on 1/21/10 at 6:37 pm to Nuts4LSU
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John Coopers career at Ohio St. Last two conference records are identical to LSU's last two.
And at Ohio State, one of the truly elite programs in college football history, that's not good enough, and he got fired.
I am totally comprehending. My point exactly. LSU isn't the only fanbase expecting to be able to compete for the conference title.
Cooper was shown the door for less. LSU fans are being a bit early IMO, lets give it one more year but if LSU doesn't compete for the conference title next year it will be Miles last.
Posted on 1/21/10 at 6:41 pm to Methuselah
Saban, Paul Dietzel and current LSU head coach Les Miles are the only coaches in the program's history to post multiple 10-win seasons.
Posted on 1/21/10 at 6:53 pm to Will2nd
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Saban, Paul Dietzel and current LSU head coach Les Miles are the only coaches in the program's history to post multiple 10-win seasons.
It's amazing that no NFL or other college team has snapped up Les Miles or Larry Coker due to their amazing records at LSU and Miami. What is wrong with every single GM and AD in the country? Don't they recognize the genius that it takes to win for a while when a shitload of talent is handed to you?
Posted on 1/21/10 at 6:55 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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John Coopers career at Ohio St. Last two conference records are identical to LSU's last two.
However, John Cooper's last two season totals are not:
In 1999 he went 6-6 (this was the writing on the wall...Ohio St also lost to South Carolina 24-7 in the bowl game)
In 2000 he went 8-4 and was let go, but ultimately going .500 in 1999 after going 11-1 the year prior (1998)killed him.
Posted on 1/21/10 at 6:57 pm to Nuts4LSU
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It's amazing that no NFL or other college team has snapped up Les Miles or Larry Coker due to their amazing records at LSU and Miami.
One tried with Miles and it was Michigan. They didn't snap him up because he turned them down and stayed with LSU. As far as I know, know team tried with Coker maybe because they recognized he had a senior QB that was making the play calls on the field.
This post was edited on 1/21/10 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 1/21/10 at 6:58 pm to Polar Bear
Does this shyster actually believe this letter helps LSU football????? fricking, ambulance chasing attorney!!!! 
Posted on 1/21/10 at 7:00 pm to Will2nd
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However, John Cooper's last two season totals are not:
That's because he wasn't playing the likes of ULL, Louisiana Tech and Tulane outside of the Big Ten every year.
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In 1999 he went 6-6 (this was the writing on the wall...Ohio St also lost to South Carolina 24-7 in the bowl game)
In 2000 he went 8-4 and was let go, but ultimately going .500 in 1999 after going 11-1 the year prior (1998)killed him.
What? You mean he had a great 11-1 season, then a shitty 6-6 season, then showed IMPROVEMENT the following year to 8-4? And was let go? What idiotic AD did that? I bet it worked out really badly for Ohio State, didn't it? Didn't they realize that creating a shitty situation and then slightly improving it demonstrates progress and is a sign of good coaching? What a bunch of morons. I'll bet they're sorry now.
This post was edited on 1/21/10 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 1/21/10 at 7:03 pm to LSURussian
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Does this shyster actually believe this letter helps LSU football?????
I agree with you, it's not helpful. That same letter could have been sent to the athletic director with an attachment stating he wasn't sending his annual check in this coming season, but he went to the press weeks after their last game and just before the signing period instead.
Posted on 1/21/10 at 7:05 pm to Nuts4LSU
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What? You mean he had a great 11-1 season, then a shitty 6-6 season, then showed IMPROVEMENT the following year to 8-4? And was let go? What idiotic AD did that? I bet it worked out really badly for Ohio State, didn't it? Didn't they realize that creating a shitty situation and then slightly improving it demonstrates progress and is a sign of good coaching? What a bunch of morons. I'll bet they're sorry now.
6-6 would be unacceptable at any major program. Usually you meet with the AD and state your plan for the upcoming season and your expectations. If you fail, you're gone. My guess is he failed two seasons in a row.
This also didn't help:
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Cooper will be remembered for his many victories at Ohio State but also for his 3-8 bowl record
This post was edited on 1/21/10 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 1/21/10 at 7:13 pm to Nuts4LSU
And look who Ohio State got to replace him.
The former coach at Youngstown State, a Division I-AA powerhouse.
Sure, he's a great coach now, but prior to him or after him, can you name for me the last coach to go from Division I-AA to a top-25 BCS school and have success?
I'll hang up and listen...
The former coach at Youngstown State, a Division I-AA powerhouse.
Sure, he's a great coach now, but prior to him or after him, can you name for me the last coach to go from Division I-AA to a top-25 BCS school and have success?
I'll hang up and listen...
Posted on 1/21/10 at 7:15 pm to Polar Bear
Posted on 1/21/10 at 7:16 pm to Will2nd
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6-6 would be unacceptable at any major program.
In the regular season, he went 6-5 (drastically different from 7-5, I know), but still, he wasn't fired after that season. He only got fired after the NEXT season, when he IMPROVED to 8-4 (light years away from 9-4, I know).
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My guess is he failed two seasons in a row
Yep.
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If you fail, you're gone.
At a truly elite program with a competent AD, yes. At LSU, you get another year to fail again.
Posted on 1/21/10 at 7:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Hopefully, Aleva is bright enough to realize this inevitability
Are you sure? There are those that think Joe Alleva did not come to LSU because he was the brightest AD on the block. Remember the lacrosse scandal? And all of this?...
LINK
(Quoting from link...) "Here's what's wrong with all this: No one at Duke is ever wrong. Duke's last president, Nan Keohane, made a terrible choice when she selected Alleva as athletic director in 1998. Everyone at Duke knew that Alleva was a pleasant man whose next original idea would be his first, someone whose main asset when applying for the job was the fact that his racquetball partner was Mike Krzyzewski.
Five years later, Alleva had lived down to everything expected of him: taking a bad football program and making it worse, hiring a crony as baseball coach who HAD to be fired because the team was awful and former players came forward to say he had encouraged them to use steroids, and looking foolish almost everyone time he opened his mouth in public (which he rarely did, usually hiding behind press releases). Alleva did what everyone else at Duke has done for years and rode the coattails of Krzyzewski's successful basketball team."
I'm not passing judgment on Les as a good or bad coach, and not suggesting it is a law of sports that bad hires beget bad hires, but let's not forgot the past when hoping someone is bright enough to realize any inevitability.
Sure Alleva has made some good decisions at LSU, but we all know what is said about history repeating itself.
Posted on 1/21/10 at 7:23 pm to Tiger Phil
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And look who Ohio State got to replace him.
The former coach at Youngstown State, a Division I-AA powerhouse.
Sure, he's a great coach now, but prior to him or after him, can you name for me the last coach to go from Division I-AA to a top-25 BCS school and have success?
I'll hang up and listen...
So the AD was not only smart enough to fire a coach who wasn't producing to the levels the program was capable of, but he was also smart enough to find a better coach somewhere that others rarely do. Sounds like he was on the ball. Wish he were at LSU right now.
Your response is just another version of the tired old "who can we get who is better?" drivel. The point is that if the one you have now isn't good enough, then firing him is the only reasonable option. You MIGHT make another mistake and hire someone else who is just as bad or worse, but you MIGHT do your job well (like the Ohio State AD did, and countless others have) and hire someone who can actually perform to the level the program is capable of. Assign whatever percentage probabilities you want to those two possible results, but if the latter has even a 1% chance of happening, that's still better than the 0% chance you have with the guy who is screwing up in the job now.
Posted on 1/21/10 at 7:25 pm to Will2nd
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One tried with Miles and it was Michigan. They didn't snap him up because he turned them down and stayed with LSU
Bull shite. He was never offered the job, and never would have been.
Posted on 1/21/10 at 7:28 pm to Will2nd
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The sad thing is if supposed "Fans" want the team to succeed next year, they would not be publishing a fire LM article in the Advocate. I don't believe you can argue out of both sides and say you want him fired at this point and want the team to succeed next year. To me, that's not a true fan. That's a poor person whose tired of being heckled by a family member or friend that lives in Alabama, Florida, or Mississippi. That means that is where your head is.
Preach it brother! I live in MS, but this year was not as bad as last year with the heckling. The OM fans were shaking my hand and praising me bc of ths clock situation. They knew they were fortunate at the end.
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