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Lets revisit the binder
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:47 am
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:47 am
So if I recall in dereks binder titled "How to build a Championship program" wasn't Kiffin supposed to be the coordinator? when that failed that showed how flawed Eds CEO model was. What else was in that binder that was a lie? Also is there any other coach at a major program you can think of that's never been a coordinator and basically has no expertise on either side of the ball and basically is just a motivator and recruiter?
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Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:49 am to bdavids09
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Lets revisit the binder
The binder has been stolen by Jimbo just like coach Kleins green note book was taken...
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:51 am to bdavids09
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So if I recall in dereks binder titled "How to build a Championship program" wasn't Kiffin supposed to be the coordinator? when that failed that showed how flawed Eds CEO model was.
He did win a national championship. So it is probably unfair to say it was totally flawed
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Also is there any other coach at a major program you can think of that's never been a coordinator and basically has no expertise on either side of the ball and basically is just a motivator and recruiter?
There is a guy at Clemson who has 2 NC's you might want to talk to
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:51 am to bdavids09
Baw coach o never read his own binder.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:51 am to bdavids09
Geez. When you’re wrong it’s not same as lying.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:53 am to bdavids09
MAKE IT STOP
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:53 am to bdavids09
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binder titled "How to build a Championship program"
you know your post is stupid af b/c 2019 happened
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:56 am to bdavids09
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Also is there any other coach at a major program you can think of that's never been a coordinator
Dabo Swinney
PJ Fleck
Urban Meyer
Jim Harbaugh
None of those guys were ever coordinators.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:58 am to bdavids09
Dabo is making it work and didn’t have coordinator experience. But yeah fully agree I don’t like the idea of having a head coach that always needs two strong coordinators to win.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 9:36 am to St_Jerome
Only difference between the movie and real life is that Farmer Fran is our head coach.
This post was edited on 9/9/21 at 9:38 am
Posted on 9/9/21 at 10:14 am to bdavids09
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What else was in that binder that was a lie?
Everything
Posted on 9/9/21 at 10:15 am to bdavids09
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Also is there any other coach at a major program you can think of that's never been a coordinator
Dabo
Posted on 9/9/21 at 10:16 am to Topwater Trout
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binder titled "How to build a Championship program"
you know your post is stupid af b/c 2019 happened
Ok that’s fair. But they should have included a section on how to MAINTAIN a championship program.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 10:21 am to bdavids09
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Also is there any other coach at a major program you can think of that's never been a coordinator and basically has no expertise on either side of the ball and basically is just a motivator and recruiter?
There are a few. Dabo and fleck if I remember correctly. But, they are few and far between and not an optimal situation
If the head coach is an expert on either side of the line of scrimmage, it gives you a backstop to how far you can fall. We have no such backstop
Posted on 9/9/21 at 10:23 am to Not Cooper
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Urban Meyer
Jim Harbaugh
Neither were coordinators, but both called their own plays as head coaches at smaller schools before getting big time jobs. I know Meyer called plays at bowling green
Posted on 9/9/21 at 10:39 am to bdavids09
Honestly, it’s not his model that’s the problem. It’s that he can’t do it right to sustain success. And he’s done it so wrong the past two years, we have fallen below average at this point.
There’s other issues too besides coaching hires. He’s getting a LOT wrong.
There’s other issues too besides coaching hires. He’s getting a LOT wrong.
This post was edited on 9/9/21 at 10:42 am
Posted on 9/9/21 at 10:44 am to bdavids09
Dabo was not a coordinator.
Posted on 9/9/21 at 10:46 am to Alt26
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Also is there any other coach at a major program you can think of that's never been a coordinator and basically has no expertise on either side of the ball and basically is just a motivator and recruiter?
Dabo but he has Venables so he is an outlier
Pittman at Arkansas
Cristobal at Oregon
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:37 am to Topwater Trout
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you know your post is stupid af b/c 2019 happened
Championship “Program “. Not Championship “Season”. Coach O’s and Derek’s vision outlined in the binder is not sustainable. LSU is a blue blood program where a coach must be centric to a certain philosophy and schemes. Someone similar to Saban, Jimbo, Kiffin, Kirby. Not making direct comparables just saying a centric philosophy that Ed lacks.
Yes, Ed delivered a championship season but not a championship program and the laundry list of examples of not being able to make critical coordinator hires, to the off-the-field antics. Ed needs two elite coordinators to be successful and one of two elite coordinators he had, he inherited. Coach O really thought the O-Kiffin-Aranda model was gonna make a big splash and it would have. It just didn’t work out that way. And Joe Brady arrived was the only time the two elite coordinator model was in effect that worked and resulted in a natty.
This model in the manner of Coach O owned deliverables is not sustainable to build a championship program. Just a one-hit-wonder if lessons learned are never acknowledged and they haven’t. This is a systemic and cultural issue that can’t be fixed during the season. Nothing will fix those issues this season. Sure LSU can win some games. LSU has talented competitors with a few playmakers ie Boutte which is why I think LSU goes 7-5 vs a 6-6 or worse, 5-7.
O is a lame duck, y’all.
This post was edited on 9/9/21 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:45 am to dandan
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Dabo is making it work and didn’t have coordinator experience. But yeah fully agree I don’t like the idea of having a head coach that always needs two strong coordinators to win.
Dabo is an anomaly. It took Clemson getting boat raced by West Virgina in the Orange Bowl for Dabo to acknowledge the issues and he addressed them. The result is multiple nattys
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