re: Leadership, and how most of you know nothing about it.

I don't recall tenacious ever saying that Lee didn't deserve to get in for a series. He was discussing being behind your team's coach because at the end of the day your coach wants the same thing that you do and has more information to make his decisions with. I could understand it being difficult for you to understand, as I couldn't ever get behind the coward of a coach that y'all have.

In the words of the whiner, Bobby P., f**k you mother f****r. Be gone with you.

Way too many "I" statements in here for me. Sounds like Obama, not exactly what you'd call a leader.

Wow, your toughness amazes. The point being, his post was about leadership. A true leader would have never treated a senior QB the way he treated Lee Monday night. Maybe I don't know the facts, but I felt bad for the kid watching him on the edge of the sideline wanting to go in and at least try.

I am not an anti-Miles ranter by any stretch, and I think Miles deserves a ton of credit for the season he put together with all the BS with the QB position the entire year. BUT, what I saw develop really ever since he pulled Lee after the Bama game gives me grave concern, and ironically your "leadership points" makes the case.

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Leaders care more about their organization than anyone else.

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The most disturbing thing to me about Monday night is that Miles put one player above the TEAM. And that, to me, is the greatest failure of a football coach. Football is the quintessential TEAM sport, as anyone who's played even one down knows. But when he pulled Lee and went with Jefferson the rest of the way, especially on Monday night, Miles sacrificed his love for LSU (which I do not doubt in any way) for the sake of Jefferson. He failed to meet this requirement.

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Leaders can't please everyone - Leadership comes with hard decisions.

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And sometimes the hard decision is to sacrifice your personal desire for the sake of the team. Yet Miles refused to make the hard decision to bench Jefferson when it was obvious to the brain dead he should NOT have been played. Yes, leaders certainly don't go with the crowd, but when everyone and their mother, sister and wife (literally) is saying something, good leaders at least listen and respond. Miles DID NOT make the hard decision.

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The organization is more important than the individual

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See response to No. 1 above. Miles sacrificed the organization for ONE individual.

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Leaders must trust their staff

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This one is hard to know for real because the staff has been mum and circled the wagons. However, it's pretty well documented that Crowton (for all his warts and problems no doubt) wanted Lee to play more than Jefferson, and Miles wouldn't allow it. I'm waiting for Gonzalez to say something along those lines, too. Moreover, many of the players are on record after Monday night saying Lee should have played (Will Blackwell for instance). I'm pretty certain that opinion was voiced in the locker room from what I've heard. THose voices were ignored.

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Leaders learn more from failure than from success

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Miles didn't apparently learn anything from the failure of the first half of the UGA game. Nor from the failure of the first half of Monday night's game.

Again, I am not anti-Miles in any way, but what he did Monday night does cause me some concern. But whatever you take from it, he most definitely failed the leadership tests you have posted.

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Let me have it if it makes you feel better.

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tenacious ---- you are making one crucial mistake. You are being logical and rational. I would say about 99% of the complainers on this board are delusional and think they know enough to be a head football coach at LSU and therefore can second guess every decision Coach Miles makes.

The bottom line is that LSU lost and there isn't anything changing players could have done (except make the score worse). We saw how Lee reacted to Bama's defense in November and that Bama defense monday night was much more dominating. There would have been very little chance of any accurate down field passing happening because the Bama pass rush would have been all over our QBs.

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tenacious ---- you are making one crucial mistake. You are being logical and rational. I would say about 99% of the complainers on this board are delusional and think they know enough to be a head football coach at LSU and therefore can second guess every decision Coach Miles makes.

The bottom line is that LSU lost and there isn't anything changing players could have done (except make the score worse). We saw how Lee reacted to Bama's defense in November and that Bama defense monday night was much more dominating. There would have been very little chance of any accurate down field passing happening because the Bama pass rush would have been all over our QBs.

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This! Who ever you are, post more! Lee would have been unable to escape, thrown off his back foot, etc. As CLM said, they thought it would be unfair to Lee to put him in. I would have been fine with letting him play some, but the coaches know their guys and are better evaluators than us...nothing could have been done to have won. Bama was on a high for getting the "second chance." LSU got screwed for having to play Bama again.

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I suggest we fans get over it and ourselves,

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+ 100

Good post Tenacious. Rule #1, you can't please all the people all of the time. Les is not perfect but he is a good leader.

i may not know anything about leadership,but i know what i would like to see-common sense.

i didn't see it on monday night

if more leaders would just use some common sense and give the workers the proper tools for success,there just might be less stress in life and better performance.

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It's ok to be a poor leader

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So by your standard any coach who wins 13 games in a row and loses the last game of the season to a clearly better team is a poor leader?

Let me guess, you thought Les was a poor leader when the Tigers were kicking everyone's but for 13 straight games?

Was he a poor leader when he sent Oregon back home with their tails between their legs?

Was he a poor leader when the Tigers went to Morgantown and beat the Montaineers in their home?

How about this . . . . .was he a poor leader when he kicked Ryan Perilloux off the team knowing full well about the lack of experience he had to deal with once Perilloux was gone?

If this is your idea of a "poor leader", i am so glad I disagree with you.

Coach Miles -- I was not happy about monday nights game, but I know you are the reason why LSU has performed so well. Thank you.