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re: Jefferson isn't showing good accuracy in this video
Posted on 8/19/10 at 2:21 am to ApexTiger
Posted on 8/19/10 at 2:21 am to ApexTiger
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He certainly isn't starting because he has a stronger or more accurate arm. JL is the best chance we got...we must have a legit deep ball threat..otherwise, teams will fill the box
J. Lee may have a stronger arm, but JJ is more accurate. I think that's pretty clear.
You say JL is the best chance we got and then note that we must have a legit deep ball. So you're saying (or implying...whichever you prefer) that JL gives us a legit deep ball? Really? When? Certainly not any more than JJ. JL has had two games in his career so far where he has had a 40+ yard gain. One was his career long on a 66-yard screen to Keiland Williams against Georgia. Another was about a 10-yard pass over the middle against State that Byrd took to the house. He had another in the Georgia game I mentioned earlier to Lafell with under two minutes left in the game against reserves that went for 43. I think that might have been a true deep ball, but I can't totally remember. So that would give Lee ONE true bomb since he's been here.
But even if you look at all the 25+ yard passes, JJ still beats him there.
So this thought that JL is better at the long ball or whatever you want to call it is in people's imaginations. I think he came out and had some nice longer passes against Auburn and State and that first impression is stuck in people's heads. Because from his most recent performances (of what we have), he has basically not even been close on long passes. They tried hard in the Tech game and kept throwing them to wide open WRs, but they didn't come close. His long was I think 38 yards for that one, but it was about a 5-yard pass to LaFell that he took to the house. If he gets back to looking like he did against Auburn and State, I'd be pumped. They weren't good teams, but he was throwing some real good passes in those games.
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JJ took a lot of sacks..didn't make but one complete further than 30 yards all season long
What? I agree with you on the sacks. He took WAY too many. But he had only three games where he didn't have a pass that gained 30+ yards. If you meant passes that went 30+ in the air, I can think of at least three that went 30+ in the air. He had that 58-yard bomb against State that went 30+ in the air, the Ole Miss bomb which was all in the air and that great pass on the run against Penn State that he actually threw from about the 44 and was caught by Toliver at about the 11 and taken down to the 1-yard line.
No doubt, JJ was bad on long balls early in the season. But he improved on that as the season went on. He's not great at the long ball, but JL has not been any better than him in that part of the game. I don't know why a few people think that.
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Posted on 8/19/10 at 2:26 am to Big EZ Tiger
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No doubt, JJ was bad on long balls early in the season. But he improved on that as the season went on. He's not great at the long ball, but JL has not been any better than him in that part of the game. I don't know why a few people think that.
JL throws a great long pass, but several were dropped the past two years. Both have qualities to build on, and LSU is going to need both QB's this year. Not sure why people are still worrying about who starts, it will get settled on the playing field in a few weeks. Problem to me is that Miles/Crowton are trying to make these two fit into the offense they want to run, and not working the offense around the individual players. Its the reason you have seen repeated mistakes (ints, sacks)
Posted on 8/19/10 at 2:50 am to RogerTheShrubber
He throws a great long pass? Come on now... If he threw a great long pass, we would have seen at least one or two true long completions against Tech. They missed by a mile and it's been that way for some time now. Our receivers do drop some passes, but they don't drop THAT many passes. They make a lot of great plays too.
I think he started off the first few games at LSU throwing some nice long passes. So there is always hope.
I don't worry about who will start. I just don't understand some of the comments about our QB situation on here. I know JJ will be the starter to start the season. They will need both because I don't know that I've ever seen a team that didn't need a backup at one point or another in the season for different reasons. I worry about their development, but we'll see soon. Hopefully...
I think he started off the first few games at LSU throwing some nice long passes. So there is always hope.
I don't worry about who will start. I just don't understand some of the comments about our QB situation on here. I know JJ will be the starter to start the season. They will need both because I don't know that I've ever seen a team that didn't need a backup at one point or another in the season for different reasons. I worry about their development, but we'll see soon. Hopefully...
This post was edited on 8/19/10 at 2:53 am
Posted on 8/19/10 at 2:51 am to Big EZ Tiger
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He throws a great long pass? Come on now... If he threw a great long pass, we would have seen at least one or two true long completions against Tech. They missed by a mile and it's been that way for some time now. Our receivers do drop some passes, but they don't drop THAT many passes. They make a lot of great plays too.
I can tell you don't watch a lot of LSU football.
Posted on 8/19/10 at 3:07 am to BayAreaTigerFan
JL is an All American at practice. He always has and always will. He would have tore it up in the WAC or Big East
Posted on 8/19/10 at 3:13 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I can tell you don't watch a lot of LSU football.
Really? Explain if you could. I feel I have a pretty good handle on things. I guess you skipped the La. Tech game because it wasn't important enough for you. It wasn't a "big game" in the SEC.
And then you probably skipped a lot of the 2008 season because we weren't in the championship hunt. Please, show me where all the great long passes that he made are. That would really back up your opinion.
Every QB has some passes that are dropped. I know we dropped more than usual last year. But we're not even talking about last year. Lee still was throwing to a 1st-team All SEC receiver in LaFell in 2008 that eventually was a 3rd round pick in the NFL along with Byrd who was a 7th round pick (but was released since he got into that bad accident). Richard Dickson was a good tight end to throw to as well and earned 2nd-team All SEC honors. They dropped passes, but they weren't scrubs. I remember Byrd dropping a number, but the other two were pretty solid in 2008. We had other receivers, but those were our primary guys.
This post was edited on 8/19/10 at 4:10 am
Posted on 8/19/10 at 5:58 am to Big EZ Tiger
JL averaged 13.09, or 13.1ypc in his 143 of 269 attempts in 08
JJ averaged 11.9, or 12ypc in 182 of 296 attempts in 09
Ypc = yards per completion, for the clueless.
He only averaged 1 yard more than JJ in completions and he had to come from behind and air it out a lot. This shows you that not only was he NOT a big play threat(keep D from stacking the box), he was literally just throwing it up for grabs most of the time.
The problem was the OL people. Watch us stack the box against Dixon in Miss st game. Watch in Bama game. And what did they do? Run "rig tha fu cking shaw" all over us. We lost Herm J, Brett H, healthy Ciron B, and Beast Quinn J in 08, and replaced them with inexperienced shrimps, no FB whatsoever, and a line blocking scheme designed for the spread. How the frick are you going to try an have a power run game with small guards that were coached to play in a spread scheme?
JJ averaged 11.9, or 12ypc in 182 of 296 attempts in 09
Ypc = yards per completion, for the clueless.
He only averaged 1 yard more than JJ in completions and he had to come from behind and air it out a lot. This shows you that not only was he NOT a big play threat(keep D from stacking the box), he was literally just throwing it up for grabs most of the time.
The problem was the OL people. Watch us stack the box against Dixon in Miss st game. Watch in Bama game. And what did they do? Run "rig tha fu cking shaw" all over us. We lost Herm J, Brett H, healthy Ciron B, and Beast Quinn J in 08, and replaced them with inexperienced shrimps, no FB whatsoever, and a line blocking scheme designed for the spread. How the frick are you going to try an have a power run game with small guards that were coached to play in a spread scheme?
Posted on 8/19/10 at 10:31 am to LSUdm21
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Jarrett Lee was the spring game MVP last year. WTF are you talking about? He's ALWAYS looked good throwing the football in practice.
Ok. Sure. So he has ALWAYS been better than JJ in practice, but JJ still gets every start?
That makes no sense. The point is that JL is looking better this year than he has ever. People who try to discredit that progression by saying that he has always been good in practice are moronic, because it is not true. Sure he has had good practices, but every video coming out this summer has looked like he is really finding his stride.
What is disheartening is the inaccuracy that JJ is showing lately in videos, despite any defenders. The scrimmage this week should be telling, if they go through the air more.
Posted on 8/19/10 at 11:00 am to AcetylCoA
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I don't know of any D1 school that Lee would start at.
Pure bullshite. Everything you say is discredited by this ignorant statement.
Posted on 8/19/10 at 11:12 am to slackster
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I don't know of any D1 school that Lee would start at.
This is the dumbest fricking statement all year. You mean to tell me that he couldn't go and start at ULL or North Texas?
Posted on 8/19/10 at 11:16 am to BayAreaTigerFan
Why is this shitty thread STILL going. 
You frickers better start embracing JJ as the starter our you're in for a miserable season as a fan.
You frickers better start embracing JJ as the starter our you're in for a miserable season as a fan.
Posted on 8/19/10 at 11:17 am to LSUdm21
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You frickers better start embracing JJ as the starter our you're in for a miserable season as a fan.
This.
Lee isn't playing unless Jefferson goes down with an injury - which is very possible.
Posted on 8/19/10 at 11:17 am to LSUdm21
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LSUdm21
thanks for the bump
Posted on 8/19/10 at 11:18 am to Antonio Moss
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Lee isn't playing unless Jefferson goes down with an injury - which is very possible.
So the negatigers will bash Lee until JJ gets hurt
Posted on 8/19/10 at 11:20 am to BayAreaTigerFan
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thanks for the bump
I didn't bump it dumb arse. Your knowledge of how things work around here is just turrible.
Posted on 8/19/10 at 11:21 am to LSUdm21
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I bumped it dumb arse.
FIFY
Posted on 8/19/10 at 11:23 am to BayAreaTigerFan
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So the negatigers will bash Lee until JJ gets hurt
For my money, there is much more "bashing" of Jefferson than Lee on here. Most of it is undeserved.
Posted on 8/19/10 at 11:23 am to LSUdm21
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turrible
F7
Posted on 8/19/10 at 11:25 am to Antonio Moss
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For my money, there is much more "bashing" of Jefferson than Lee on here. Most of it is undeserved.
True but everyone is going to want someone else until the problem of losing is fixed. Whether its changing coaches or players. However, Jefferson doesn't have the touch or accuracy on point right now. Until the UNC will everyone either blow the frick up or chill out.
Posted on 8/19/10 at 11:25 am to Datbayoubengal
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JL averaged 13.09, or 13.1ypc in his 143 of 269 attempts in 08
JJ averaged 11.9, or 12ypc in 182 of 296 attempts in 09
Does this account for the 5 yard hitches that he threw in which LSU recievers ran for the other 5-8 yards after the catch?...
hell at least JL can hit a moving target in stride...it may be for the other team sometimes but hell at least its moving....
we have the best WR's in the country but can utilze their speed cause we have a QB that cant throw to them while they are running...for gods sake...shite!
hell put Lee in and let him go...at least that guy knows the play book and we wont have 8 men looking at us in the box...no one respects JJ's throwing...with Lee you can open up the offense and that takes pressure of the Defense... and vice versa...JJ will never change...if he is the QB we will look like we did last year...your best hope is that lee grew up...and by the looks of him not transfering and staying here and taking it like a man and not running...he's earned my respect...
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