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Posted on 7/27/10 at 12:24 am to just me
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I didn't pick Alabama for the question. You did. He's failed in each and every attempt to make a comeback against Alabama. And you want to give him a third chance.
This may sound radical, but let's give JJ, the more talented guy, the ball. Let's give him a chance to make that 10 point comeback against Alabama. Lee has never done it.
So comebacks are just limited to Alabama? I just used them as a team in a hypothetical situation. Like I said JJ's inability to throw the ball down the field limits us. But WAIT, you actually think JJ can throw the ball down the field. Something he's never done well.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 12:25 am to RobbBobb
quote:Seems like I recall Florida's defense crossing our goal line during the 2nd half when Lee played QB. Keep digging.
Because we did so much better not crossing midfield the entire 2nd half against Fla
quote:JJ is unselfish. He recognized that Scott needed just a few yards to get us into field goal range to win the game. Scott housed it. Good job, JJ. That seemed to work a lot better than Crowton's calls for passes at the end of the Ole Miss game.
calling the coach and asking him not to throw the ball against Ga.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 12:27 am to RobbBobb
quote:Hmmmmmm. Let's compare again.
Thats what JustMe is looking forward to
13-3 or 51-21.
You're right. Losing by 30 points is so much more attractive. Keep digging.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 12:27 am to just me
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Seems like I recall Florida's defense crossing our goal line during the 2nd half when Lee played QB. Keep digging.
You bias for Lee is getting out of hand. He points out the offense struggling against Florida this year, and you bring up Lee throwing a pick 6 the year before. What does Lee's pick 6 have anything to do wit JJ limiting our offense against elite defenses.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 12:28 am to TIsuGGER
just me is clearly smarter.
But...
We have two mediocre-to-poor QBs right now. We have one guy--Jefferson--who is so afraid of throwing a pick that he stops looking downfield after about 1.5 seconds. Dude misses open receivers on just about every play.
In contrast, Mr. Lee is better in the above regard except sometimes he forgets to see the defensive player between him and the receiver downfield.
Jefferson stresses the line and takes sacks. Lee stresses the defense and throws picks.
The pick-six thing is most unfortunate because it really is not the QB's fault it is returned for a TD at least 4 out of 5 times. The pick is his fault, the TD is bad luck. And it was so bad in 2008 (and the Spring game) that it fricked up the fanbase on #12.
Jefferson is 6'5, 220 with a good arm and decent wheels. He needs a pair of balls and to trust his own instincts. He needs to hang in the pocket and not worry about the defensive end closing in. Keep eyes downfield--you have THREE FIVE STAR PLAYERS AT WR AND AN ABSOLUTE FREAK AT TE. Someone will be open. Find him. Don't worry about getting hit. That's life in the SEC.
If he can't do that, then I'm all for Lee having another shot. With age and experience, maybe he'll show off the promise that was clearly there in 2008 until the pick six became a tragedy of Grecian proportions.
But...
We have two mediocre-to-poor QBs right now. We have one guy--Jefferson--who is so afraid of throwing a pick that he stops looking downfield after about 1.5 seconds. Dude misses open receivers on just about every play.
In contrast, Mr. Lee is better in the above regard except sometimes he forgets to see the defensive player between him and the receiver downfield.
Jefferson stresses the line and takes sacks. Lee stresses the defense and throws picks.
The pick-six thing is most unfortunate because it really is not the QB's fault it is returned for a TD at least 4 out of 5 times. The pick is his fault, the TD is bad luck. And it was so bad in 2008 (and the Spring game) that it fricked up the fanbase on #12.
Jefferson is 6'5, 220 with a good arm and decent wheels. He needs a pair of balls and to trust his own instincts. He needs to hang in the pocket and not worry about the defensive end closing in. Keep eyes downfield--you have THREE FIVE STAR PLAYERS AT WR AND AN ABSOLUTE FREAK AT TE. Someone will be open. Find him. Don't worry about getting hit. That's life in the SEC.
If he can't do that, then I'm all for Lee having another shot. With age and experience, maybe he'll show off the promise that was clearly there in 2008 until the pick six became a tragedy of Grecian proportions.
This post was edited on 7/27/10 at 12:34 am
Posted on 7/27/10 at 12:30 am to GeauxWarrior12
quote:How many passes over 25 yards do JJ and JL have?
So comebacks are just limited to Alabama? I just used them as a team in a hypothetical situation. Like I said JJ's inability to throw the ball down the field limits us. But WAIT, you actually think JJ can throw the ball down the field. Something he's never done well.
Please, enlighten us all.
Who has more yards per reception, JJ or JL?
Please share your vast knowledge with the class.
Finally, who has a better TD to interception ratio, JJ or JL?
Posted on 7/27/10 at 12:30 am to Mike Linebacker
And if you wanna talk about the 2 against Florida.
Lee 209 yards 2 tds 2 ints
Jefferson 96 yards 0 tds 1 int
Lee 209 yards 2 tds 2 ints
Jefferson 96 yards 0 tds 1 int
Posted on 7/27/10 at 12:34 am to just me
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JJ is unselfish. He recognized that Scott needed just a few yards to get us into field goal range to win the game. Scott housed it. Good job, JJ. That seemed to work a lot better than Crowton's calls for passes at the end of the Ole Miss game.
RIIIIGGGGHHHHTTTTT!
The same guy who didnt realize that taking a sack in the 4th qtr vs Fla, or Ole Miss, or Arky '08 would lose the game for us
You may be stupid as all get out, but you make great comedy
Posted on 7/27/10 at 12:38 am to just me
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How many passes over 25 yards do JJ and JL have?
Please, enlighten us all.
Who has more yards per reception, JJ or JL?
Please share your vast knowledge with the class.
Finally, who has a better TD to interception ratio, JJ or JL?
#1... So because Jefferson hit a WR on a crossing route and they ran for over and 25 yard gain that means he can throw it down the field, but guess what doesn't factor into that stat. All the times he missed wide open WR's down the football field.
#2... I never once talked about TD to INT ratio so I have no clue why that would be used to defend Jefferson's ability to throw the ball down the field.
#3... Once again if you think JJ throws the ball down the field better than JL your either completely ignorant or biased.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 12:39 am to GeauxWarrior12
quote:Your bias for Lee is out of hand. It prevents you from seeing the assumptions to which you cling so tightly: JJ limits our offense against elite defenses. Didn't JJ take LSU to a lead into the fourth quarter against Bama at Bama. Doesn't Bama have an elite defense? Did Lee do anything in that game to make you think that Lee does not limit our offense against elite defenses? Lee threw an interception. JJ did not.
He points out the offense struggling against Florida this year, and you bring up Lee throwing a pick 6 the year before. What does Lee's pick 6 have anything to do wit JJ limiting our offense against elite defenses.
Your bias blinds you to the fact that JJ was not solely or even primarily responsible for LSU's inefficiency against Florida last year.
Again, JL defenders ignore his personal failures while inculpating JJ for the failures of an entire unit and coaching staff. That's not myopic. That's blind stupidity.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 12:41 am to RobbBobb
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JJ is unselfish. He recognized that Scott needed just a few yards to get us into field goal range to win the game. Scott housed it. Good job, JJ. That seemed to work a lot better than Crowton's calls for passes at the end of the Ole Miss game.
I missed the above back-and-forth (and don't really care to read it). I do, however, think that JJ's request to put the ball in #32's hands instead of his own was disheartening. JJ's quote afterwards came off as someone afraid to make a mistake--I think he even said something to that effect. It was an insight into his psyche--do not be Jarrett Lee 2008. While probably a good goal, if it overrides everything else you do on the field, you'll never beat a team you can't out-talent and you'll never win a championship.
Fortunately, there is hope. There is hope the light comes on this offseason and he realizes that, in 2009, he had a confidence/attitude problem. JJ's "issues" and JL's "issues" are all mental, not physical. If JJ overcomes the mental, he's the guy because he's better physically. If JL overcomes the mental and JJ does not, God I hope Miles has some balls and makes the switch.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 12:42 am to just me
A Jefferson Completion of 25 yards or more....
And also I'm not biased towards Lee. I think JJ should be the starter like I've said a thousand times in this thread. I'm not the one that's blind my friend you are.
And also I'm not biased towards Lee. I think JJ should be the starter like I've said a thousand times in this thread. I'm not the one that's blind my friend you are.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 12:43 am to GeauxWarrior12
quote:It's a damn shame that the receivers are willing to run harder after a catch for JJ than JL. What is JL doing wrong?
#1... So because Jefferson hit a WR on a crossing route and they ran for over and 25 yard gain that means he can throw it down the field, but guess what doesn't factor into that stat. All the times he missed wide open WR's down the football field.
quote:Throwing the ball well down field tends to result in TDs, not INTs.
#2... I never once talked about TD to INT ratio so I have no clue why that would be used to defend Jefferson's ability to throw the ball down the field.
quote:Wow. So your opinion is backed up by . . . your opinion.
#3... Once again if you think JJ throws the ball down the field better than JL your either completely ignorant or biased.
Impressive.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 12:44 am to just me
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Again, JL defenders ignore his personal failures while inculpating JJ for the failures of an entire unit and coaching staff. That's not myopic. That's blind stupidity.
When have I said JJ was completely at fault for our offense sucking. I just said he limits us. You have to be able to stretch the field. Did you see the Spring game? He missed on about 5 deep balls. He did hit Shep down the field once, but Shep dropped it. So he was 1 of 5 on deep balls.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 12:46 am to just me
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Didn't JJ take LSU to a lead into the fourth quarter against Bama at Bama.
Why do you feel the need to make stuff up. Do you feel that you are losing that badly? No, he didnt
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Jefferson, who was knocked out of the game in the first half after taking a helmet to the chest, left for good in the third quarter
"Did Lee do anything in that game to make you think that Lee does not limit our offense against elite defenses?"
quote:
Two plays after Scott exited the game with an injury, LSU backup running back Stevan Ridley bounced a run to the right side and scored an 8-yard touchdown to give the Tigers a 15-10 lead late in the third quarter.
It was JLee that directed the go ahead drive, without the vaunted running attack that JJ had
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Lee threw an interception. JJ did not.
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an interception on the Tigers final offensive play.
JustMe, JustStop
Posted on 7/27/10 at 12:50 am to Mike Linebacker
quote:No offense, but don't quit your day job to become a psychiatrist. There is nothing wrong with seeing what needs to be done and seeing that it is done. Unselfishness is a key to team success. In this day of players seeking personal gain over team success, I'll take a hundred JJs.
I do, however, think that JJ's request to put the ball in #32's hands instead of his own was disheartening. JJ's quote afterwards came off as someone afraid to make a mistake--I think he even said something to that effect. It was an insight into his psyche--do not be Jarrett Lee 2008. While probably a good goal, if it overrides everything else you do on the field, you'll never beat a team you can't out-talent and you'll never win a championship.
quote:JJ was exactly right. That situation required a running play. Exactly like the Ole Miss game when we threw repeatedly at the end of the game. Just run it, kick the field goal, and win the game.
Quarterback Jordan Jefferson persuaded the coaches to let him hand off to Scott instead of putting the ball in the air. They were sure glad he did.
“I would rather give it to Charles and let him pound it in there,” said Jefferson, who was 18 of 27 for 212 yards. “Charles is a big power back. I didn’t want to pass it. That situation required a running play. I saw the hole, and once he hit it, I knew it was a TD.”
Posted on 7/27/10 at 12:50 am to RobbBobb
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JustMe, JustStop
He shouldn't stop. He's keeping you at bay. Lee was not good v. Alabama. Indeed, he was very ineffectual in the final quarter. That's the truth.
Of course, Jefferson was ineffectual for 2009 so...pick your poison.
Posted on 7/27/10 at 12:50 am to just me
quote:
Wow. So your opinion is backed up by . . . your opinion.
Lee hits open WR's down the field. See Chris Mitchell against Alabama in 08.(Mitchell dropped it)
Also Mitchell against Auburn with a guy in his grill. Lee can get it down the field. When has Jefferson ever hit a guy deep down the field besides Shep in the spring game?
Posted on 7/27/10 at 12:53 am to GeauxWarrior12
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#1... So because Jefferson hit a WR on a crossing route and they ran for over and 25 yard gain that means he can throw it down the field, but guess what doesn't factor into that stat. All the times he missed wide open WR's down the football field.
Didn't the receivers Lee was throwing to have yards after catch?
quote:
#3... Once again if you think JJ throws the ball down the field better than JL your either completely ignorant or biased.
JL throw it down the field better; he also throws it down the field to the wrong player. Forget the fact they were pick 6s. The guy threw a lot of INTs and it killed many an offensive drive. So many posters on this board wanted a game manager at QB; that's pretty much what they got with JJ.
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