Started By
Message

re: It's the offensive line.

Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:43 am to
Posted by DeltaDoc
The Delta
Member since Jan 2008
16435 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:43 am to
Yep. Most don’t realize that Bama only brought three most of the game and constantly caused havoc in our run and pass game. This allowed them to cover with 5 in the secondary AND use linebackers in run support. We never had a chance.

O needs to be pursuing grad transfers, JUCOs, etc in trying to fix this problem.
Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
8131 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:43 am to
quote:

It's rather incredible that people still don't watch or pay attention to that offense.

Houston averages about half those pass attempts per game. They run the ball more. Just like when Baylor was consistently one of the top rushing teams in the country a few years ago.

I never understood why Miles didn't choose to run a full-blown spread option.

Even Alabama runs the spread now. It's time to get away from the conventional offensive approach and step into the future.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28049 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:44 am to
(no message)
This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 12:58 am
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
40081 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:45 am to
quote:

Your statement that we just tailor our offense to the players we have, has the implication that if you have the right offensive scheme it dosen't matter how good your players are. If that's the case, why put so much into recruiting?

What the shite kind of logic is this? My point is that a coach can tailor an offense to fit the needs/strengths/weaknesses of his team. A good OC can do things to mask the team's weaknesses. Obviously yes I would rather have a team stacked with 5*s.
quote:

The fact is there is no offensive scheme that could have made up for the yuuuuge difference between our offensive line and Bamas defensive line.

Then why have teams with objectively worse OL talent than us had better success on offense against that same Bama defense?
Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
15735 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:46 am to
quote:

If your line can hold blocks don't run long developing plays. End of story. 3 - 5 pass catching options and quick passes.


Did you not watch the game? bamas Dbs/lb defenders just sat at the line and played Wr's taking the short pass away. The min the ball was snapped, they couldnt get open and then burrow was either sacked or running for his life.
Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
8131 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:47 am to
quote:

Good one man.

Eh?

Check the stats. From 2010 - 2016, Baylor was in the top 30 for RYPG in every year and they had a few seasons in the top-10.
Posted by FightinTiga
Pumpkin Center
Member since Feb 2009
20745 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:47 am to
Anyone that disputes this needs to find another pastime
Posted by boweswi05
birmingham
Member since Aug 2016
6677 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:47 am to
quote:

Facts some people just don’t understand football. No matter what play is called it’s 11 on 11 everybody has a assignment. If a mf can’t block by week 9 and he’s a junior how can that be on play calling.



So what happened in 2016 when we got shutout with the sane guy calling the plays then too?
Posted by keeper05
BR
Member since Feb 2007
379 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:50 am to
quote:

Did you not watch the game? bamas Dbs/lb defenders just sat at the line and played Wr's taking the short pass away. The min the ball was snapped, they couldnt get open and then burrow was either sacked or running for his life.


The use more motion with WRs, just like Bama did. Sometimes pitch it to them to run, sometimes use them as a decoy and sometimes through it to them in the flat. Motion is a device that can be used to obfuscate and keep the defense on their toes
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:52 am to
So coaching staff brings in top 15 players at their position each any every year. They underperform all the time.

So how is this a player problem and not a coaching problem or a talent evaluation issue?
Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
8131 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:53 am to
quote:

So how is this a player problem and not a coaching problem or a talent evaluation issue?

We luv our coach, baw.

He neva wrong, baw
Posted by Mayhawman
Somewhere in the middle of SEC West
Member since Dec 2009
10452 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:56 am to
2009 gave up more sacks/gm (2.69 vs 2.56) with 50ypg less rushing, but Rant favorite frickin Jefferson blew away Jeaux's RAT (137 vs 114) and had better ypa.
Posted by Fat Bastard
2024 NFL pick'em champion
Member since Mar 2009
88354 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:56 am to
quote:

Motion is a device that can be used to obfuscate and keep the defense on their toes




it makes the D account for him and can also show man or zone pre snap. we had geniuses here say we did not need all that last year even though it worked well with canada.
Posted by boweswi05
birmingham
Member since Aug 2016
6677 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:56 am to
quote:

So coaching staff brings in top 15 players at their position each any every year. They underperform all the time.

So how is this a player problem and not a coaching problem or a talent evaluation issue?



It's a coaching problem. Alot on here just have to much pride to admit it.
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
11405 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:57 am to
Let's assume your thesis is accurate. Why is the O-line bad. They are as big as everyone else. Are they weak? Slow? Not adept at learning blocking assignments? I find that hard to believe, but maybe it's true.

From what I can tell, 0 has not upgraded the offense despite earlier claims to the contrary. LSU has faced some good fronts in MSU and Auburnt and could generate some offense. How can one explain the shocking performance against the gumps? Saying the no one on the o-line can play does not seem credible to me.
Posted by Fat Bastard
2024 NFL pick'em champion
Member since Mar 2009
88354 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:58 am to
quote:

Even Alabama runs the spread now.


they do not run SPREAD OPTION like oregon or POWER SPREAD like CUM and GUS

they use some spread concepts LIKE MATT CANADA DID and others like dabo and freeze
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 10:00 am
Posted by boweswi05
birmingham
Member since Aug 2016
6677 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:00 am to
quote:

Let's assume your thesis is accurate. Why is the O-line bad. They are as big as everyone else. Are they weak? Slow? Not adept at learning blocking assignments? I find that hard to believe, but maybe it's true.

From what I can tell, 0 has not upgraded the offense despite earlier claims to the contrary. LSU has faced some good fronts in MSU and Auburnt and could generate some offense. How can one explain the shocking performance against the gumps? Saying the no one on the o-line can play does not seem credible to me.



Seems like our o-line is only bad vs Bama when SE is calling plays.

2016,2018 with him calling plays were both shutouts.

Amazingly with Canada calling the plays we moved the ball pretty good against Bama last year in Tuscaloosa.
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 10:06 am
Posted by AshLSU
Member since Nov 2015
12868 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:01 am to
Who recruited and coached these linemen?


Posted by nvasil1
Hellinois
Member since Oct 2009
17384 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:02 am to
quote:

Your statement that we just tailor our offense to the players we have, has the implication that if you have the right offensive scheme it dosen't matter how good your players are. If that's the case, why put so much into recruiting? Let's just worry about the right coaches and screw recruiting then right?

Not really. It's quite a stretch to interpret that as meaning recruiting doesn't matter.

But look at Clemson's recruiting classes. I think this year was Dabo's best and they were like 7th, mostly because of Trevor Lawrence. Are they elite just because they have better players than everyone? Or do they have really good players with better coaching?
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
107977 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:03 am to
quote:

So what happened in 2016 when we got shutout with the sane guy calling the plays then too?
In 2016 LSU had the #1 rated offensive line in the entire country by PFF, yet we got completely shutdown and shutout by Bama.....



To me, the sure fire way to know someone doesnt know football, is they immediately go to "Its the line!!!" as their calling card. It shows they have heard that once from someone, so they beat that drum up and down the street forever
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 10:03 am
first pageprev pagePage 2 of 4Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on X, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookXInstagram