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Posted on 7/18/18 at 1:57 pm to DCtiger1
Yeah those people are stupid. Consistently winning in the NFL is an extremely difficult thing to do. Old Bill with the Patriots is doing something that is likely to never happen again.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 1:58 pm to tigereye58
You say that Aranda is proven. Well Aranda says that he finally has all the pieces in place to run the defense he wants to run. That’s good enough for me!
Now the offense....
Now the offense....
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:06 pm to Powerman
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All of these guys have at least some experience. It's not unreasonable to expect some of them to improve.
You listed a bunch of guys with potential.
That's exactly what the op said.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:08 pm to L S Usetheforce
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Our OL was able to get a push against Bama, it was the little things they failed out in executing certain passing protections.
Ok and the oline will have new faces this year that weren't part of that push.
Again, potential.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:11 pm to tigereye58
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Other than who I listed who has PROVEN anything?
Going into the 2011 season, who all had "proven" anything?
Lee/Jefferson -
Ware/Hilliard/Blue/Ford - each had their moments but not a whole lot of production overall
Beckham/Landry - freshmen
Mingo had done about as much as chaisson
Montgomery had a good start to 2010 but was coming off of an injury
We lost Peterson, Kelvin Sheppard, Nevis, Barksdale and Ridley. Randle and Shepard were our top 2 returning receivers. We returned only one of the 4 All-SEC players we had on the 2010 team.
Honestly, the only real proven players based on your requirements were Mathieu, Claiborne, and Baker on defense and Rueben Randle, somewhat, on offense.
Mingo, Reid, Montgomery, Loston, Brooks, Taylor, Minter, Barrow, Brockers, etc hadn't done much of anything to "prove" they were going to be the players they ended up becoming. That's kind of how football works unless you're returning the majority of your previous years' starters. Almost everyone has question marks all over their team and lost All-SEC performers from the previous year, and that includes teams like Alabama and Georgia.
So when people discuss what to expect in the upcoming season, yeah most of the time it's going to be based largely on potential. Most of the guys who have "proven" how good they are in the previous year are upperclassmen and leave for the NFL.
I'm not saying we'll be good or bad next year, but to say it's not fair to weigh an opinion based on potential is pretty misguided
This post was edited on 7/18/18 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:22 pm to Brazos
Cant compete for a championship every year unless your alabama. Teams have off years
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:25 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:26 pm to lsufball19
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Going into the 2011 season, who all had "proven" anything? Lee/Jefferson - Ware/Hilliard/Blue/Ford - each had their moments but not a whole lot of production overall Beckham/Landry - freshmen Mingo had done about as much as Chassoin Montgomery had a good start to 2010 but was coming off of an injury We lost Peterson, Kelvin Sheppard, Nevis, Barksdale and Ridley. Randle and Shepard were our top 2 returning receivers. We returned only one of the 4 All-SEC players we had on the 2010 team. Honestly, the only real proven players based on your requirements were Mathieu, Claiborne, and Baker on defense and Rueben Randle, somewhat, on offense. Mingo, Reid, Montgomery, Loston, Brooks, Taylor, Minter, Barrow, Brockers, etc hadn't done much of anything to "prove" they were going to be the players they ended up becoming. That's kind of how football works unless you're returning the majority of your previous years' starters. Almost everyone has question marks all over their team and lost All-SEC performers from the previous year, and that includes teams like Alabama and Georgia. So when people discuss what to expect in the upcoming season, yeah most of the time it's going to be based largely on potential. Most of the guys who have "proven" how good they are in the previous year are upperclassmen and leave for the NFL. I'm not saying we'll be good or bad next year, but to say it's not fair to weigh an opinion based on potential is pretty misguided
Agree with everything you said. I’m not saying it’s not reasonable to base an opinion on it at all. I’m saying it’s not unreasonable for the pundits to make an opinion on it especially considering Orgeron is so unproven. Also, considering our schedule and what others have returning it’s reasonable to think we will struggle. We need a lot of guys with a lot of potential to come through. If only half of them come through we are 8-4. Everyone here seems to think it’s 100% that all of the potential comes through. Aranda will get more but I’m not sold on Ensminger. 90% of the time someone this deep in their career stays about the same as what they’ve always done. That’s why Ensminger became a TE coach.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:33 pm to tigereye58
The conference is so heavily dominated by Alabama and Saban that it is more like the PAC10 was back in the USC Pete Carroll era. Saban is taking talent from other schools that would normally create more parity. Georgia is recruiting and signing 5-star talent at the skill positions but I think they lost so much last season defensively that it would be tough for them normally to rebound if the other teams in the league weren't so weak.
LSU, Auburn, & Florida are all down relative to where they were 8-10 years ago. Arkansas, Ole Miss, A&M are also way down.
The conference is just so dominated by one team from a talent standpoint that we're in a position of relying on transfers at key skill positions where before we would be plugging in 4-5 star talent that we had recruited.
LSU, Auburn, & Florida are all down relative to where they were 8-10 years ago. Arkansas, Ole Miss, A&M are also way down.
The conference is just so dominated by one team from a talent standpoint that we're in a position of relying on transfers at key skill positions where before we would be plugging in 4-5 star talent that we had recruited.
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