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BillF
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Is it really a change from one-and-done rule?
I see where there is a probability that the NBA is quite possibly going to reduce the age limit from 19 to 18 to allow high school kids to enter the NBA draft, and it's being hailed as a change to the one-and-done rule. Is it really? I haven't seen anything to suggest that.

My humble opinion is that college basketball has harmed by the rule that lets players leave after one year. It makes it difficult for coaches to really develop teams unless you're Kentucky or Duke and you can recruit four lottery picks out of high school. Tennessee this year is an anomaly.

Allowing high school kids to enter the draft changes things for perhaps five players a year, but it still doesn't address the one-and-done. All the other players can still play one year in college and still bolt, as I understand it.

Though it apparently won't happen, the healthiest for college basketball would be to adopt the MLB model: Free to turn professional after high school, but if you elect to play college ball, you stay for three years (or two, depending on your age).

I understand the change the NBA is looking at, but everyone saying it changes the one-and-done rule is a bit off base as far as I can tell. I don't see where it would change the health of college basketball. The MLB model would bring huge, positive changes to the college game, but I understand that's not a priority for the NBA.


Dizz
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re: Is it really a change from one-and-done rule?
I agree the MLB mode is better but the NBA doesn’t care about colleges being able to build a team. The NCAA makes so much money off the tournament I don’t think they care either.


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Madking
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re: Is it really a change from one-and-done rule?
Your fears are correct, both the NBA and college product suffered greatly last time the NBA was flooded with high school players in the late 90s and early 2000s. In fact the NBA was so bad they had to begg Jordan out of retirement to keep the league off life support then they had to change the rules to the point where a person with elementary school basketball IQ could play the game viably. With the new rules and dumbed down league the NBA won’t suffer as much as before but what it will recreate is even more lopsided unfair advantages for the major markets. You’ll have bad teams getting worse because they’ll be drafting a lot of miss kids and guys who won’t be good players until their 4th and 5th year when they’ll leave the teams who drafted them. The college game will go back to lower scoring boring lower level basketball. The major programs will fall back like before and you’ll have the Butlers and George Masons of the world filling up half the bracket causing less interest from the fans. The NBA is already a less than good product but thrives off of divas creating storyline drama. The rule is being changed because of a knee jerk reaction to Zion Williamson and his injury, which is minor. Silver feels he missed out on Zions popularity but fails to realize that it comes from Dukes suoerteam marketability and his exposure on ESPN. If Zion were drafted by Memphis this year or someone like that he’d be a much smaller story. Adam Silver is a blight on American sports and his league will eventually need to be saved again. This has been tried before and both games got so bad the rule had to be changed. Why go back to a proven failed way of doing business? Don’t listen to the stupid talking heads in the media tell you at 18 you deserve the right to go play pro sports. These are private leagues and can set their own rules. By far the most successful league on planet earth doesn’t allow 18 years olds in and how is the NFL doing? Those media retards have no idea or care what’s really good for these kids, they point the finger at political opponents instead of actually doing work and realizing the real abusers of most of these young athletes or the people closest to them not college universities and coaches.
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TxTiger82
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re: Is it really a change from one-and-done rule?
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My humble opinion is that college basketball has harmed by the rule that lets players leave after one year.


The "one-and-done rule" didn't "let them leave" after one year. It made them stay for one year. Big difference. I think you have a misunderstanding of the trends that motivated the rule to begin with. Too many players were skipping college completely.


TheTexasTiger7
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re: Is it really a change from one-and-done rule?
The rule is 100% not being changed because of just the Zion thing. It was already planning on going into effect in 2021. Although the Zion look made this move a lot easier to do. Most things will remain the same. I mean there is only going to be 5-10 guys every year who will actually not go to college at all. The only thing that will suffer is college basketball not getting the Zion Williamson’s or Ben Simmons of the world.


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BillF
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re: Is it really a change from one-and-done rule?
I understand what you're saying, TX, and perhaps I don't understand the history of the rule as completely as you do.

When players were allowed to enter the NBA directly out of high school, were they also allowed to jump to the NBA after a single year of college? I honestly don't know the answer, so I'm going to rely on your knowledge there.

My opinion, little as it matters, is that allowing kids to enter the draft after high school AND after one year of college just further erodes the college game and doesn't affect the "one-and-done" rule at all for colleges.


TxTiger82
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re: Is it really a change from one-and-done rule?
I respectfully disagree with your idea, Bill. Colleges don't own a kid just because they accepted a scholarship offer. Colleges can't and shouldn't be able to make the kid stay longer than the kid wants to stay. College isn't the military. You don't sign up for a four-year term of service. Nobody will court martial you if you go AWOL.

Honestly, the MLB rule you cited earlier should probably change, as well.


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TheTexasTiger7
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re: Is it really a change from one-and-done rule?
My opinion on the best thing that could happen would be, a player can directly enter the draft right out of high school if he wants to. If not he can go to college. IF a player goes to college he must stay a minimum of 2 years. This would allow much less turnover and a better overall experience. This would be better for both the NBA and college. Like I recently mentioned the only thing that would happen would be college basketball not getting 5-10 superstars on a yearly basis. It’s too much when guys come in for 1 year just to leave right after.
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Madking
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re: Is it really a change from one-and-done rule?
A couple things, 1 the rule goes into affect in 2020 not 2021 and the Zion situation tipped the scales plus moved it up so yes it was a huge factor. 2 there arent 5-10 top kids skipping college already there was 1-2 this year and normally fewer than that. You might get 3 pro starters per year from the HS ranks if you’re lucky but mostly there’s 1 guy. A season in college helps almost all of the players. So this rule in affect is all about fewer than 3 guys per season but it will hurt 10 per year most of the time at least. Look at all the good bigs in last seasons draft and how much college did for them in terms of them adjusting to the new style of play. That was the first great crop of new age bigs the league has seen and we won’t see anymore after this rule is put in place. And that’s not even addressing the overall damage it does to both the college and NBA product. Again this has been tried before and both leagues became so bad it had to be changed so why go backwards?
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TheTexasTiger7
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re: Is it really a change from one-and-done rule?
Not saying it’s good or bad, but it’s happening, and we absolutely will see more than 1-2 kids go straight out of highschool a year. Especially if the rule will be something along the lines of having to stay for more than one year if you do choose the college path.


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re: Is it really a change from one-and-done rule?
I feel like the problem was always that the undrafted kids out of high school couldn’t enroll in college. You were losing solid talent for nothing. The NCAA changed the rule that if you went undrafted you could return to college so I wonder if this will apply to the out of high school kids?

I would like to see the NBA make it to where if you went to college, you had to play two years though
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arcalades
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re: Is it really a change from one-and-done rule?
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, the healthiest for college basketball would be to adopt the MLB model
healthiest for whom? not the players. Stop thinking about what's best for fans and think about letting players have the same freedom all other workers have.


Metaloctopus
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re: Is it really a change from one-and-done rule?
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The "one-and-done rule" didn't "let them leave" after one year. It made them stay for one year. Big difference. I think you have a misunderstanding of the trends that motivated the rule to begin with. Too many players were skipping college completely.




I think you're misunderstanding the OP's point. We all know the difference between the current one and done, where you have to play at least one year of college ball, and the new rule (which is just going back to the old rule) of allowing players to enter the draft out of high school. I don't think the OP misunderstands the difference.

His point, which I agree with and thought the exact same thing when I heard about the proposed change, is that it isn't really changing it from being a one and done. It only means that, just as it used to be, you won't see as many top prospects going to college. But it won't stop the players who do go to college from bolting after one year. The old rule was bad, and the current one is no better. This is why the MLB rule is the best, for all parties.
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Metaloctopus
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re: Is it really a change from one-and-done rule?
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healthiest for whom? not the players. Stop thinking about what's best for fans and think about letting players have the same freedom all other workers have.




The MLB rule gives the players a choice. But, frankly, the best choice is to play at least three years of college ball. The success rate of high school players who go straight to the pros is not very high. Yes, there is risk of injury, but the development process is far better in college than it is getting tossed into the fire in the pros, getting exposed, and having your confidence shot. But, with the MLB rule, you at least have the choice.


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re: Is it really a change from one-and-done rule?
With this new rule I don’t see how LSU for example could ever bring in the freshman class that was brought in this year. Take the top ten players out of this class and your Kentucky,duke,NC,Kansas and othe major programs have to recruit and sign the next level of prospects. And that’s only if y’all number of 5-10 players a year is correct.


Metaloctopus
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re: Is it really a change from one-and-done rule?
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With this new rule I don’t see how LSU for example could ever bring in the freshman class that was brought in this year. Take the top ten players out of this class and your Kentucky,duke,NC,Kansas and othe major programs have to recruit and sign the next level of prospects. And that’s only if y’all number of 5-10 players a year is correct.


I understand your point, though I don't completely agree.

The fact is that top programs will always get the best players. So, this isn't changing that. The good news is that you have the opportunity to become an elite program and compete for the best players. I think that is exactly what Will Wade is doing.

LSU just had the third rated recruiting class in the country. That means they out-recruited blue bloods like Kansas, North Carolina, UCLA, and tons of other well-established programs. If these players chose LSU over those programs, this year, I don't see why the new rule would change that.

What I don't like about this rule is that it lowers the overall talent level of the college game. I don't care for the NBA, but it waters that league down with a lot of 18 year old great athletes, who think they're great basketball players, but quickly learn this isn't the playground.
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GetBackToWork
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re: Is it really a change from one-and-done rule?
The NBA is selfishly shortsighted in undermining NCAA basketball. A strong collegiate program produces energy and interest for the sport as a whole. Fans will follow players as they progress, and keep a greater interest in basketball. Typical of the ESPN era, where decisions are made that don't appear taken for the long term betterment of the sport or the league in question, this has produced a disappointing effect.

IMO, I don't think 18 year olds are ready for the NBA. I'm tired of hearing how the NBA will develop them better. Let colleges recover from one and done, and this will be fine. The sport as a whole will flourish making it more like the NFL, and the NBA will benefit long term producing better players, coaches, and fans.


dcw7g
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re: Is it really a change from one-and-done rule?
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The NBA is selfishly shortsighted in undermining NCAA basketball.


I think the NBA is ready to push their D-league. They want a money-making developmental league that they control, like minor league baseball.


Tigrdynasty
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re: Is it really a change from one-and-done rule?
Basketball players should have the same opportunity as baseball players. No age limit bs. Get drafted or don't get drafted. If one gets drafted he can sign if he likes the terms or don't sign and go to college.


StatMaster
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re: Is it really a change from one-and-done rule?
How about only letting players into college that meet the same academic requirements as the non athlete students? That way you get players that actually want to be in college and have the capability to be there. Let all the one and done kids go to a minor league system.


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