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Posted on 4/13/11 at 8:58 am to Vegas Bengal
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The one positive thing about the quote is that JJ actually believes the BS sunshine Miles is blowing up his arse.
I mean I suppose that's a positive.
I think it would be much more productive if Miles just came out and told the fans, the media, and the world how much JJ has been sucking it up this spring (no matter how untrue it may be)......then point and laugh at him and maybe smack him around a bit in front of his family.
This post was edited on 4/13/11 at 9:15 am
Posted on 4/13/11 at 9:40 am to Choctaw
Well does anyone honestly think that it is a good thing at the position that requires the most mental toughness and awareness to have a player the head coach has had to coddle and do a p.r. campaign glossing over all of his vast shortcummings to get his confidence up? I mean do you really want to have to rely on that player on the road in front of a hostile crowd in the fourth quarter. One who if he is on the bench and someone else is actually performing scowls and pouts?
I know Tommy Hodson, Rohan Davey, Herb Tyler, Matt Mauck and Matt Flynn werent coddled. I know for a fact Hodson, Davey and Flynn didnt stand on the sideline and scowl and pout when Guidry, Booty or Jamarcus were playing!
I know Tommy Hodson, Rohan Davey, Herb Tyler, Matt Mauck and Matt Flynn werent coddled. I know for a fact Hodson, Davey and Flynn didnt stand on the sideline and scowl and pout when Guidry, Booty or Jamarcus were playing!
This post was edited on 4/13/11 at 9:49 am
Posted on 4/13/11 at 9:44 am to Rudy40
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Well does anyone honestly think that it is a good think at the position that requires the most mental toughness and awareness to have a player the head coach has had to coddle and do a p.r. campaign glossing over all of his vast shortcummings to get his confidence up? I mean do you really want to have to rely on that player on the road in front of a hostile crowd in the fourth quarter. One who if he is on the bench and someone else is actually performing scowls and pouts
Absolutely. The head coach shoud publiclly criticize his players every chance he gets. But just one request. Let's save the criticism of Jefferson's facial expressions for another day. We already have the Bash of the Day. ok?
Posted on 4/13/11 at 9:56 am to Uncommon Cents
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Absolutely. The head coach shoud publiclly criticize his players every chance he gets. But just one request. Let's save the criticism of Jefferson's facial expressions for another day. We already have the Bash of the Day. ok?
First of all where in my post did I say the coach should be publicly criticizing his players? I said he shouldnt have to run a p.r. campaign glossing over the incompetence of his qb. Miles could easily say something like "All the qb's are working hard and making strides and we will determine at sometime before the season who the starter is based on performance". Again I dont feel it is beneficial to coddle and pooh pooh the position on the field with the most demanding tougness required. Do you think the Alabama and West Virginia will go easy on Jefferson just because he has a fragile ego?
As for the facial expressions do you not believe it is relevant to see how a supposed leader reacts under pressure? Again Davey,Hodson and Flynn all played behind or in conjunction with other qb's and all at least kept a game face on the sideline and were seen cheering when their replacement or someone on the offense made a good play which is definitely not the case with JJ.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 10:02 am to Rudy40
Jesus...all Miles said was that he had a good spring and as of right now he's the leader. Relax
Posted on 4/13/11 at 10:15 am to Rudy40
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First of all where in my post did I say the coach should be publicly criticizing his players? I said he shouldnt have to run a p.r. campaign glossing over the incompetence of his qb.
OK what's your point? First you say he shouldn't publicly criticize the players then you say he shouldn't run a PR campain glossing over the incompetance at QB. Which is it? Come out and say his QB sux, or say nice things about him? Since the puropse of this board is to heap criticism on both Jefferson and Miles, I'm voting for public criticism. That ok with you?
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Miles could easily say something like "All the qb's are working hard and making strides and we will determine at sometime before the season who the starter is based on performance".
Isn't what he is doing now?
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Again I dont feel it is beneficial to coddle and pooh pooh the position on the field with the most demanding tougness required
I'd like to know how you got the inside information on what Miles says and does privately in practice. It would be cool to know that. Care to share it?
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As for the facial expressions do you not believe it is relevant to see how a supposed leader reacts under pressure?
The point here today is that facial expression isn't what the bright football minds of the rant should be using in the Daily Jefferson Bash of today. Today we are playing jcoryel's "I've been garbage for two years in a row and I'M STILL PLAYING!!!"
We can make a big deal out of Jefferson's facial expressions on another day. In fact you can start your own Daily Jefferson Bash thread about it tomorrow. That would make a great topic. I look forward to seeing it.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 10:25 am to Uncommon Cents
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OK what's your point? First you say he shouldn't publicly criticize the players then you say he shouldn't run a PR campain glossing over the incompetance at QB. Which is it? Come out and say his QB sux, or say nice things about him? Since the puropse of this board is to heap criticism on both Jefferson and Miles, I'm voting for public criticism. That ok with you?
He can easily say his qb's are progressing without coming out and saying one is the entrenched starter (especially when his performance last year or in the spring game definitely doesnt warrant it)
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Isn't what he is doing now?
No he has repeatedly made it a point to say Jefferson is the starter.
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I'd like to know how you got the inside information on what Miles says and does privately in practice. It would be cool to know that. Care to share it?
I dont have any inside sources but you can see from his quotes the last two seasons and his willingness to keep starting the guy after such performances as his 4yd outburst against McNeese he is being coddled. Not to mention do you really think any other position player who performed as poorly as Jefferson did last year would have started all year? Also by J J's quotes such as he thinks he played well after his McNeese St performance and other quotes such as the one from spring game he is not being held accountable.
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The point here today is that facial expression isn't what the bright football minds of the rant should be using in the Daily Jefferson Bash of today. Today we are playing jcoryel's "I've been garbage for two years in a row and I'M STILL PLAYING!!!"
I really dont see the need to let anyone determine what I can or cannot comment on especially when it is a relevant topic such as the mental composure/toughness of the position on the field requiring the most mental toughness
This post was edited on 4/13/11 at 10:30 am
Posted on 4/13/11 at 10:29 am to Rudy40
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No he has repeatedly made it a point to say Jefferson is the starter.
You are right. He said that Jefferson is the starter.
Just so I am in on the real story, are either of the other two better? What information do you have that they are? I am really interested to see how you got this.
One last question. Is naming the fall starter in the spring a bad idea? Is it rare that a coach does it?
Thaankyew.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 10:36 am to Uncommon Cents
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You are right. He said that Jefferson is the starter. Just so I am in on the real story, are either of the other two better? What information do you have that they are? I am really interested to see how you got this.
I would be more than happy to wager that given a fair shot and the same playing time either would outperform Jefferson. Based on less playing time last year Lee led the offense on a significantly higher scoring drive per possesion ratio than Jefferson. Especially if you look at TD drives. Not to mention the times Lee led them down to the goalline and Jefferson came in for 1 or 2 plays.
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One last question. Is naming the fall starter in the spring a bad idea? Is it rare that a coach does it?
Only rare when a player has not earned it by his performance the previous year or in spring practice and game? Or are you saying last years performance by Jefferson and the spring game should be considered acceptable for a starting qb at LSU?
This post was edited on 4/13/11 at 10:39 am
Posted on 4/13/11 at 10:40 am to Rudy40
he never named the starting QB in 2005, 2006, or 2007. He always said it was an open competition
Posted on 4/13/11 at 10:43 am to Rudy40
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As for the facial expressions do you not believe it is relevant to see how a supposed leader reacts under pressure?
I don't believe facial expressions can be read to the point where we can decide how one handles pressure from them and I don't believe any of us know any LSU player well enough to know what expression means what if we could.
JJ is/has been the starter. Why should the coaching staff say they will make a decision later in the fall?
Mett was never going to be given the keys to the car without paying his dues and starting at #3 is part of that dues paying.
I don't understand what the big deal is...when/if a pretty successful college football staff decides Mett is ready or when it's the best timing for a change at #1...it will happen. imo
Posted on 4/13/11 at 10:49 am to Rudy40
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his willingness to keep starting the guy after such performances as his 4yd outburst against McNeese he is being coddled
I guess the entire team was being coddled. If you sat down everyone who was horrible the McNeese game there wouldn't have been a team left to field.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 10:55 am to Rudy40
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I would be more than happy to wager that given a fair shot and the same playing time either would outperform Jefferson. Based on less playing time last year Lee led the offense on a significantly higher scoring drive per possesion ratio than Jefferson. Especially if you look at TD drives. Not to mention the times Lee led them down to the goalline and Jefferson came in for 1 or 2 plays.
I'm not argueing with you. I'm just seeking information.
Then if Lee is better why does Miles play Jefferson? You know a lot more about football, what do you see that Miles doesn't? Do you think that Miles is subconsciously trying to torpedo the team? What is his motivation? What have you seen in practices that the coaches haven't?
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Only rare when a player has not earned it by his performance the previous year or in spring practice and game?
How exactly does one earn it? Jefferson was the starting QB last year and the team won 11 games.
How much weight should be given to the performance in the spring scrimmage.(I will argue that that exhibition was far from a game.) Since you attnded the practices and I didn't which one did better in the spring practices?
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Or are you saying last years performance by Jefferson and the spring game should be considered acceptable for a starting qb at LSU?
I am saying that the spring fling shouldn't have any more weight than any of the other 14 practices since it was nothing more than just another practice. But my opinion isn't very valid since I admit that I'm not a football genius and you seem to have vast experience in football coaching and player evaluation.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 10:58 am to Rudy40
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Only rare when a player has not earned it by his performance the previous year or in spring practice and game?
From all reports he did earn it during spring practice
Posted on 4/13/11 at 10:58 am to Uncommon Cents
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Just so I am in on the real story, are either of the other two better? What information do you have that they are?
2008
Jarrett Lee LSU FR QB 143/269 53.1% 1873 yds 7.0 ypa 14TDs 16ints 170.3 ypg
2010
J. Jefferson LSU JR QB 118/209 56.3% 1411 yds 6.75 ypa 7TDs 10ints 117.6 ypg
2008
Scoring Offense: 30. LSU
Passing Offense: 71. LSU
Total Offense: 55. LSU
2010
Scoring Offense: 45. LSU
Passing Offense: 107. LSU
Total Offense: 86. LSU
And for the grande finale!
2008
Scoring Defense: 56. LSU
2010
Scoring Defense: 11. LSU
additionally, Miles' 2010 closer -- Jarrett Lee (2 wins, 1 save)
Posted on 4/13/11 at 10:59 am to Uncommon Cents
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I am saying that the spring fling shouldn't have any more weight than any of the other 14 practices since it was nothing more than just another practice
so Andrew Luck playing dominate in his spring game has nothing to do with talent.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 11:02 am to CP3LSU25
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so Andrew Luck playing dominate in his spring game has nothing to do with talent.
Mauck threw 5 interceptions in the '03 spring game. i think he did ok that year....don't quite remember.
point is....spring games or highly scripted, meaningless, glorified practices.
And i wish LSU would stop televising theirs because it makes people go full retard.
This post was edited on 4/13/11 at 11:03 am
Posted on 4/13/11 at 11:03 am to CP3LSU25
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so Andrew Luck playing dominate in his spring game has nothing to do with talent.
Where in the fu ck did you get THAT?
I said that the spring public scrimmage shouldn't have any more weight in choosing starting players than the other 14 practices in the spring.
I wasn't there and I bet my arse you weren't either but I'm pretty sure that Luck did damn well in ALL of the practices. His talent isn't unknown. Damn few if any college QB's have his talent. What's your point?
Posted on 4/13/11 at 11:04 am to Uncommon Cents
my point is there is always an excuse for JJ no matter what.
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