re: In Jefferson the Tiger's don't exactly trust

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think the big stat is that of the 4 games out of 13 you could reasonably argue he played well or in some cases very well 3 of them he had two weeks or more to prepare. UNC,Alabama and Texas A&M. The one game he had that he played well with only one week to prepare was Ole Miss. That leaves 9 games he peformed below average or in most cases horrid.

I dont think nor do I think the overwhelming majority believe LSU can have the kind of season that the overall talent indicates they can have with a qb who performs below average or worse in 9 or more games during the season.

JJ has been given more opportunities to play when his performance dictated he should be on the bench than any LSU qb that I can remember.

When you throw in the scowling and pouting on the sideline when his backup is in the game and makes big plays along with his horrible clock management in the UT game last year and Ole Miss game in 09 most do not feel or want to watch him flail around for a third year.

Or do you guys (Lonnie and Uncommon Cents) think we should sit on our hands or applaud poor performance and accept it? Again if that is the case did you guys want Curley Hallman to be retained?

Why have we had other players who did not perform in games get replaced but JJ has started despite his repeated poor performances? Again I am not speaking subjectively you can objectively look at his statistics and qb rating and see he is substansially below an average qb.

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Young Basher, what is your fixation with Curley?That generally isn't a good sign. You are splitting your Bashing effort. You need to keep posting only Jefferson Bashes if you want to move up in th Basher Brigade. You have made a good start by posting several times in the same thread and by posting stuff people have already posted. Redundancy is goood. It is one of the leading traits of a Basher. Keeping on posting those same things. Those are admirable Basher activities and I bow to you for doing them.

You are wise to point out the times that Jefferson didn't live up to your personal expectations and the times that he wounded you personally with his efforts. Those are good.

You are making remarkable progress in Basherism. Yet you still have much to learn. Singling out your displeaseure with his facial expressions is a valid reason for Bashing him, Indeed it is a major factor for many. LSU can't have a player whose facial expression offends the fans. I'm not saying that facial expressions and the fans approval of them isn't a critical factor in detrining the worth of a QB. Actually it is very important. Every QB worth his salt needs to learn the proper facial expression. Fans aren't going to accept a QB with the wrong look on his face. Pleasing fans with the proper demeanor may well be the most important component in the evaluation of a QB.

The only problem I have is that you are diluting your Basher thrust by Bashing more than one offending aspect of Jefferson. You should concentrate your Bashing to one topic per thread. That way there will be more Basher threads and the level of Bashes will grow.

You have so much promise as a Basher. I am glad I'm on your side.

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...applaud poor performance and accept it?

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I'm not asking you to do anything. Piss and moan to you hearts content.

It's not gonna change anything if you accept it or not, but if someone gains something from the continally beating down of either JJ or JL OR both...knock yourself out.

The coaching staff names the starters, who plays when, and what plays are run and we can knock JJ/JL and later on Mett till the cows come home, but it will change nothing....so, why should I get all worked up bout something I have NO control over? If you want to, have at it.

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yeah but its one of you and 1k of us... Well actually two if you count off the corner.

Carry on though

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I don't understand your math. I'm a Basher too. I looked around and saw all the Bashers and read all the Basher threads and decided to give up my sinful sunshine pumper ways.
I want to be in that group of, is it 1K(?), that come here every day to Bash one person. I saw that ganging up on somebody was totally fun. I realized that the daily Bashes wouldn't stop, so I had my Road to Damascus moment and joined up. I am a convert to the Basher Brigade. I support those brave souls that show up and repeat things that have been written many times over. I encourage constant assaulting. It's fun. And the best part is that he doesn't fight back. Now THAT'S really the best part of being a Basher. We hit him and he can't hit back. What better testament to our manhood?

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Imagine what last year would have looked like without him. I am not a believer that JJ is a good Div 1 quarterback but I can only imagine how shitty our record would have been without him last year.

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good post. funny how all the bashers conviently skip over statements like this. Imagine if Lee, McCartney, or Bailey had to start what our record would have been. It would have sucked.

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this board exists to rant about what ever comes to mind

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Piss and moan as much as you like bout anything you like. I think I say something to that point in bout every post. Whatever floats your boat.

I realize you don't like a different opinion, but you will just have to get over it, huh.

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Quote all the passing stats you like but why are his rushing stats never quoted. They do count ya know.

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He averaged 34.6 yards per game and 3.7 yards per carry. 241 of his 450 rushing yards for the year came in 3 games against Tennessee, Auburn, and A&M. He had -24 against McNeese State and -4 against ULM. The rushing stats aren't quoted because they aren't noteworthy. Throw them in if you want and JJ still averaged 143 yards a game total for the year.

I definitely think if LSU would have gone into recruiting for 2010 with only Lee as a qb that had seen action they would have been able to bring in two talented recruits possibly one being Zack Lee. However with Lee having the baseball option and the need for qb even more so I think they may have decided to get two qb's who would definitely been around. I firmly believe one could have been a good fit to play along with Lee and we would have done no worse than last year.

As far Jefferson's 34 yds rushing per game I can easily recall for every instance JJ ran for a first down or positive yardage 3-4 passes at the feet of a wide open receiver over his head behind him or a completion where a receiver had to stop to make the catch instead of catching in stride. I would think if he had completed half of those passes we would have gained more yards than we did with him running.

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I am not a believer that JJ is a good Div 1 quarterback but I can only imagine how shitty our record would have been without him last year.

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