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Improvement on Offense
Posted on 9/24/18 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 9/24/18 at 12:12 pm
I haven't actually looked at any stats but it seems like our short yardage offense has been better this year so far. Last season we regularly got stuffed on short yardage situations especially inside the 5 that forced us to kick chip shot FGs that were missed too often.
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Posted on 9/24/18 at 12:46 pm to redfishfan
I hate to say it, but I think the strength of this offense is going to be running the football.
Posted on 9/24/18 at 12:47 pm to redfishfan
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Last season we regularly got stuffed on short yardage situations especially inside the 5 that forced us to kick chip shot FGs that were missed too often.
You may be correct, but this isn't why. At this point, LSU's red zone offense is slightly worse than last seasons.
ETA: Going by TD %.
This post was edited on 9/24/18 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 9/24/18 at 12:58 pm to RB10
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You may be correct, but this isn't why. At this point, LSU's red zone offense is slightly worse than last seasons.
I'm talking about short yardage as a whole. I can remember a bunch of 3rd and shorts we normally convert that got stuffed. Seemed like Canada always wanted to pull a lineman in that situation and it got blown up.
Posted on 9/24/18 at 1:00 pm to redfishfan
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I'm talking about short yardage as a whole. I can remember a bunch of 3rd and shorts we normally convert that got stuffed. Seemed like Canada always wanted to pull a lineman in that situation and it got blown up.
I know. I'm saying that using the short yardage situations in the red zone doesn't back your claim right now.
Posted on 9/24/18 at 1:04 pm to RB10
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I know. I'm saying that using the short yardage situations in the red zone doesn't back your claim right now.
TD% doesn't prove that. You realize that right?
Posted on 9/24/18 at 1:05 pm to redfishfan
Do you have stats to support it?
Are we actually better on short yardage downs than last year?
Are we actually better on short yardage downs than last year?
Posted on 9/24/18 at 1:06 pm to SammyTiger
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Do you have stats to support it? Are we actually better on short yardage downs than last year?
I do not have stats. I've been looking but can't find it.
Posted on 9/24/18 at 1:06 pm to redfishfan
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TD% doesn't prove that. You realize that right?
It's the only tracked statistic that comes close. Why don't you give us some actual stats that back your claim?
Posted on 9/24/18 at 1:07 pm to RB10
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I'm saying that using the short yardage situations in the red zone doesn't back your claim right now.
I don't recall any red zone possessions where we failed due to short yardage runs.
Posted on 9/24/18 at 1:07 pm to RB10
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It's the only tracked statistic that comes close. Why don't you give us some actual stats that back your claim?
In the process of that at the moment. Seems like a difficult stat to find though. So far this year seems like we are converting all of 3rd or 4th and 1's.
Posted on 9/24/18 at 1:08 pm to redfishfan
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I haven't actually looked at any stats
Stopped reading here.
Posted on 9/24/18 at 1:09 pm to redfishfan
Yeah I think Eye ball test we’ve looked better
But also our 3rd down conversion rate is awe full, so maybe that’s selective memory.
I think Your have to maybe scour play by plays but I wouldnt Expect you to do that.
But also our 3rd down conversion rate is awe full, so maybe that’s selective memory.
I think Your have to maybe scour play by plays but I wouldnt Expect you to do that.
Posted on 9/24/18 at 1:10 pm to SammyTiger
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But also our 3rd down conversion rate is awe full, so maybe that’s selective memory.
Yea 3rd down hasn't been great but I was mostly talking about 3rd or 4th a 1 or less. Last season it seemed like we got stuffed a ton. Im going to go through a few play by plays and see if I can find some.
Posted on 9/24/18 at 1:18 pm to redfishfan
Here are the short yardage situations (3 or less) for LSU vs. Miami. I'm not doing the rest.
That 4 of 13 overall and 3 of 8 running the ball. The positive side of that is at least LSU is making teams respect the fact that they are willing to pass on 3rd and short now.
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4th & 1 at MIAMI 49
(12:44 - 2nd) Nick Brossette run for 2 yds to the MiaFl 47 for a 1ST down
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4th & 1 at MIAMI 38
(10:11 - 2nd) MIAMI FL Penalty, Defensive Offside (Tito Odenigbo) to the MiaFl 33 for a 1ST down
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1st & Goal at MIAMI 1
(9:21 - 2nd) Nick Brossette 1 Yd Run (Cole Tracy Kick)
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3rd & Goal at MIAMI 3
(5:00 - 2nd) Joe Burrow pass incomplete to Justin Jefferson
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2nd & 1 at LSU 34
(14:04 - 3rd) Nick Brossette run for a loss of 1 yard to the LSU 33
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3rd & 2 at LSU 33
(13:35 - 3rd) Nick Brossette run for 1 yd to the LSU 34
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2nd & 1 at MIAMI 24
(8:51 - 3rd) Nick Brossette run for 18 yds to the MiaFl 6 for a 1ST down
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2nd & Goal at MIAMI 3
(7:46 - 3rd) Joe Burrow pass incomplete
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3rd & Goal at MIAMI 3
(7:41 - 3rd) Joe Burrow pass incomplete to Tory Carter
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2nd & 3 at LSU 29
(11:41 - 4th) Clyde Edwards-Helaire run for 1 yd to the LSU 30
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3rd & 2 at LSU 30
(11:06 - 4th) Joe Burrow sacked by Jonathan Garvin for a loss of 1 yard to the LSU 29
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2nd & 3 at MIAMI 45
(7:14 - 4th) Nick Brossette run for 1 yd to the MiaFl 44
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3rd & 2 at MIAMI 44
(6:45 - 4th) Nick Brossette run for a loss of 3 yards to the MiaFl 47
That 4 of 13 overall and 3 of 8 running the ball. The positive side of that is at least LSU is making teams respect the fact that they are willing to pass on 3rd and short now.
Posted on 9/24/18 at 1:33 pm to RB10
After running a quick skim of play by plays it looks like LSU is better this year in 3rd or 4th down and 2 or less but not as good on 3rd or 4th down and 3. Looks like my eyes failed me for the most part.
Posted on 9/24/18 at 1:37 pm to whitefoot
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I don't recall any red zone possessions where we failed due to short yardage runs.
Miami game we struggled.
Posted on 9/24/18 at 1:57 pm to RB10
quote:injecting myself...
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TD% doesn't prove that. You realize that right?
It's the only tracked statistic that comes close. Why don't you give us some actual stats that back your claim?
At least on 3rd and short, all field locations incl. red zone, we are 8 for 18 (44%) by rushing attempts.
Random comparisons:
2017: 72%
2016: 62%
2011: 61%
I'd say we're not doing better in short yardage attempts (on the ground).
ETA: I'm going to correlate to, primarily, the OL; we see something unusual, especially for us, in the grades. We have OL grading out game-to-game higher in pass protection than run blocking. Secondarily, the RBs; Brossette runs well on short yardage. Very well, but he's not as versatile as a Guice or Fournette where the opposition isn't worried about him bouncing outside, going over the top, or anything other than churning legs in a crease (which he is good at).
This post was edited on 9/24/18 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 9/24/18 at 2:00 pm to I20goon
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I20goon
I knew CFB stats had that statistic.
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