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If my calculations are correct only 11 Teams have won N C in Softball since 1982
Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:11 pm
I am not saying Beth should be retained but she has a nice record
I trust S W since he has the best Combination of Coaches in the U S.
We have the greatest fans except for a few Dumb Asses
Pray for our Troops
I trust S W since he has the best Combination of Coaches in the U S.
We have the greatest fans except for a few Dumb Asses
Pray for our Troops
This post was edited on 5/23/23 at 12:12 pm
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:16 pm to namvet6566
woodward isn’t firing beth. maybe if a scandal came out or something but you don’t fire her based on her record
This post was edited on 5/23/23 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:22 pm to trussthetruzz
Yes
Where will you get someone with 600wins
Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:24 pm to trussthetruzz
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maybe if a scandal came out or something
If Christian Little threw 3 strikes on called pitch outs to lose a regional - that would be a full blown scandal.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:28 pm to namvet6566
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If my calculations are correct only 11 Teams have won N C in Softball since 1982 by namvet6566
Yeah? Michigan in 2005 was the first team east of the Mississippi to win one. What’s your point?
Alabama and Florida have both won them, and Tennessee has, I believe, been runner up a time or two.
The SEC brought softball back in 1997. LSU has the third most conference regular season titles at 5, behind Bama and UF. LSU is tied for second, with UF, in tourney titles at 5, only behind Bama’s 6. LSU hasn’t won the regular season since 2004 and hasn’t won the tourney since 2007.
They went from the top of the conference, to flirting with the top, to now soundly in the middle. That positioning is only going to get lower with OU and Texas coming in.
Granted, they’ve had nearly all of their WCWS appearances under the current regime, but what championships has she won?
I don’t think Torina has to go necessarily, but changes need to be made to her staff and are long overdue.
Edit to add: it is pretty crazy to see Tennessee’s lack of conference success. Only 1 regular season title and two tourney titles before this season.
This post was edited on 5/23/23 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:29 pm to namvet6566
There is much much less parity in women’s softball (and women’s sports in general).
Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:36 pm to namvet6566
You’re 100% saying that or you wouldnt have made the post. You Beth lovers are make the Pawl lovers look like amateurs and that’s very hard to do.
How many “oh he/she is such a good person” worked out?? ZERO. It’s a business. LSU is paying and providing the resources for top results and they aren’t getting that in return PERIOD. What they are getting is a little sister college running them out of a regional in a humiliating epic coaching failure. To ask a true freshman to do something you admittedly knew she’d never done is laughable on that stage.
But she’s a good person………
How many “oh he/she is such a good person” worked out?? ZERO. It’s a business. LSU is paying and providing the resources for top results and they aren’t getting that in return PERIOD. What they are getting is a little sister college running them out of a regional in a humiliating epic coaching failure. To ask a true freshman to do something you admittedly knew she’d never done is laughable on that stage.
But she’s a good person………
Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:47 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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They went from the top of the conference, to flirting with the top, to now soundly in the middle. That positioning is only going to get lower with OU and Texas coming in.
They won the conference titles before the rest of the schools in the conference (and Florida, in particular) started taking the sport seriously. That can in no way be seen as a drop in the quality of the program.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:50 pm to Tigersonfire
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LSU is paying and providing the resources for top results and they aren’t getting that in return PERIOD.
You act like LSU is expending more on softball than other SEC schools and that’s just not true. They also are not outspending Oklahoma or FSU. There isn’t some major disconnect between money spent on the sport and the outcomes.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:54 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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They won the conference titles before the rest of the schools in the conference (and Florida, in particular) started taking the sport seriously. That can in no way be seen as a drop in the quality of the program.
Losing your place and not “taking it seriously” is most certainly a drop.
Also, Florida won a conference title before LSU did.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:55 pm to namvet6566
Since conferences other than the PAC-12 started taking the sport seriously, the only non-Pac-12 champs are Oklahoma, Alabama, Florida, Florida St and Michigan. The only school to break into that club since Torina took over is FSU. People act like LSU is falling behind a long list of programs, but that’s just not the case.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:58 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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The only school to break into that club since Torina took over is FSU. People act like LSU is falling behind a long list of programs, but that’s just not the case.
Incorrect. Torina took over in 2012. Bama won it all in 2012, and Florida’s titles were in 2014 and 2015.
List of teams in conference that have won their first regular season or tourney title since LSU won their last: Tennessee, UGA, Arkansas, Auburn, and Ole Miss.
This post was edited on 5/23/23 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:03 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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Losing your place and not “taking it seriously” is most certainly a drop. Also, Florida won a conference title before LSU did.
Florida did not make their first WCWS appearance until 2008. Tennessee made their first in 2005. Prior to that it was only LSU and Alabama (with one outlier year from SC). Not surprisingly, all of LSU’s regular season titles came before 2005.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:14 pm to namvet6566
By “calculations” do you mean “counting”?
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:15 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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Incorrect. Torina took over in 2012. Bama won it all in 2012, and Florida’s titles were in 2014 and 2015. List of teams in conference that have won their first regular season or tourney title since LSU won their last: Tennessee, UGA, Arkansas, Auburn, and Ole Miss.
Okay, those titles did come just as Torina came to LSU, but both programs were already on the doorstep in 2012 and were better programs than LSU already. She didn’t fall behind them. Florida made the WCWS 4 straight times from 2008-11 and was runner up twice in that span. Alabama was there 5 of 7 years from 2005-11.
Random conference tournament championships don’t make some of the schools on that list better programs. Up until the last three seasons every regular season title while Torina has been at LSU was won by Florida or Alabama. Arkansas and Tennessee have risen up lately, but it remains to be seen if they will have staying power. Arkansas is still in search of a WCWS bid and took a step back this year. Tennessee hasn’t been there since 2015.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:34 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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Okay, those titles did come just as Torina came to LSU, but both programs were already on the doorstep in 2012 and were better programs than LSU already. She didn’t fall behind them. Florida made the WCWS 4 straight times from 2008-11 and was runner up twice in that span. Alabama was there 5 of 7 years from 2005-11.
Random conference tournament championships don’t make some of the schools on that list better programs. Up until the last three seasons every regular season title while Torina has been at LSU was won by Florida or Alabama. Arkansas and Tennessee have risen up lately, but it remains to be seen if they will have staying power. Arkansas is still in search of a WCWS bid and took a step back this year. Tennessee hasn’t been there since 2015.
I’m glad you agree with me that as a program, LSU has been passed up or caught by many teams they used to be ahead of.
And for acknowledging that Torina has failed to get them over the doorstep after taking them to the WCWS 4 out of 6 years between 2012 and 2017, with three in a row.
Don’t misunderstand me, I think Torina deserves a season more to right the ship IF she makes changes. However, there is no denying that CONFERENCE and now NATIONAL results have slipped since that 2017 WCWS appearance.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:57 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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I’m glad you agree with me that as a program, LSU has been passed up or caught by many teams they used to be ahead of.
Where do you getting MANY from what I said? Alabama and Florida were already ahead of LSU when Torina arrived. Tennessee went to the WCWS 4 of 7 years from 2005-11 before Torina arrived and continued that by going 3 of 4 years from 2012-15. They were also a better program when Torina arrived whom she caught and passed with it remaining to be seen if Tennessee has caught back up and surpassed LSU in return. Arkansas had a good two year run, but failed to make the WCWS. Isn’t that the major complaint against Torina?
Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:13 pm to namvet6566
They have a TON of talent returning and a great catcher who missed all season in Carson as well as a highly touted lefty pitcher.
Now, if they don’t make a VERY VERY deep run in OKC next season, it is time to consider her replacement.
Now, if they don’t make a VERY VERY deep run in OKC next season, it is time to consider her replacement.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:21 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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Where do you getting MANY from what I said?
In your evidence you’ve used to try and refute my arguments.
LSU as a program, nothing to do with Torina, was once better than Alabama and Florida. Both have passed the program by in conference and nationally. This culminated with national titles since Torina’s arrival. You agree.
LSU historically has been better than Tennessee as far as conference accolades are concerned, but UTK has been better than LSU on the national stage (more appearances and two runner ups). However, they won both the regular season and the tournament this year. You agree there.
So that’s three teams.
Auburn has two conference tourney titles and a runner up finish in OKC since Torina has been here.
Arkansas has two regular season titles and a tourney title, with the same number of WCWS appearances as LSU, since 2017.
Ole Miss beat LSU head to head for the 2017 tourney title. This is the only true outlier.
That’s 6 teams that have either passed up the LSU program or performed better in conference and/or on the national stage as Torina’s most recent teams.
The SEC gets OU and Texas for the 2025 season. LSU has finished tied for 5th or 6th the last three seasons in conference. How else do you define getting passed up or caught in conference as a program in general and as a program under the current coach?
LSU went from finishing in OKC to finishing in the Supers to now finishing in Regionals.
Staff changes need to be made, maybe not at the top but elsewhere in the program.
This post was edited on 5/23/23 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 5/23/23 at 3:22 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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LSU as a program, nothing to do with Torina, was once better than Alabama and Florida. Both have passed the program by in conference and nationally. This culminated with national titles since Torina’s arrival. You agree. LSU historically has been better than Tennessee as far as conference accolades are concerned, but UTK has been better than LSU on the national stage (more appearances and two runner ups). However, they won both the regular season and the tournament this year. You agree there. So that’s three teams. Auburn has two conference tourney titles and a runner up finish in OKC since Torina has been here. Arkansas has two regular season titles and a tourney title and the same number of WCWS appears as LSU since 2017. Ole Miss beat LSU head to head for the 2017 tourney title. This is the only true outlier. That’s 6 teams that have either passed up the LSU program or performed better in conference and/or on the national stage as Torina’s most recent teams.
That’s a very bizarre means of judging the success of Torina’s tenure. 3 programs that were better than LSU when she took over and are better now (with the jury still out on Tennessee) is a black mark against Torina? In what way does that make sense? LSU was briefly better than those programs well before Torina arrived at a time those schools were not taking softball seriously. LSU was never as good as those programs became, so you cannot say that the potential to be that good was previously demonstrated and Torina is failing to achieve that potential.
Ole Miss randomly winning an SEC tournament title is just a laughable stretch on your part to even suggest they are a better program or even ever we’re one. Auburn had a two year stretch in which they were very good, then they fell back. LSU made the WCWS in those same 2 seasons and the next year as well. Auburn has not returned to that level. Arkansas also had a good 2 year run, but no WCWS appearances to show for it. Sorry, but your assessment here is a clear stretch.
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