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jeff70121
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re: If LSU beats Notre Dame, O will be 32-32 as a head coach
Excellent point. Give him a little time and I believe he will produce a championship team.


Mo Jeaux
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re: If LSU beats Notre Dame, O will be 32-32 as a head coach
No he won’t. It would be great if he did.


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Madking
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re: If LSU beats Notre Dame, O will be 32-32 as a head coach
True but going 2-2 with a top 5 team isn’t the same as 9-3 with a team ranked in the teens and replacing 15 starters.


Rickdaddy4188
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re: If LSU beats Notre Dame, O will be 32-32 as a head coach
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And yet all you do is try to destroy what he has done this year... 


at no point have i said this season was a massive failure.

im just pointing out your hypocrisy.
you crapped all over miles for seasons just like O had this season. yet you label this record as PRETTY GOOD.

HYPOCRISY at its finest.

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So are you A fane of the team or not???


yes which is why i treat 3 loss seasons the same for every coach.
You on the other hand blasted miles for 3 loss seasons while labeling this season as having PRETTY GOOD RECORD.


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He probably wouldn't but who cares...


if you are a fan of lsu,then you should care of lsu hires a HC that wouldnt be a top 5 DEFENSIVE COORDINATORS candidate at Vandy or Kentucky.
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Mayhawman
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re: If LSU beats Notre Dame, O will be 32-32 as a head coach
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True but going 2-2 with a top 5 team
WTH? LSU wasn't top 5 and highest rank was 13 IIRC.


Madking
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re: If LSU beats Notre Dame, O will be 32-32 as a head coach
Rick was talking about fans different reactions to Miles last season and this season. Miles was 2-2 with a team that started off ranked 5th nationally Ogeron went 9-3 with a team that started 13 and had 15 new starters. Of course these two seasons had different expectations one team was supposed to challenge for a playoff spot the other was picked to win 9 games. Fans are going to react differently depending on a teams potential, roster and how close they are to where they were expected to be.
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omegaman66
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re: If LSU beats Notre Dame, O will be 32-32 as a head coach
Miles was fired not for his record, but instead for how he was doing it. Refused to fix issues.


Mo Jeaux
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re: If LSU beats Notre Dame, O will be 32-32 as a head coach
Oh, that makes a shite ton of sense.


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Mayhawman
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re: If LSU beats Notre Dame, O will be 32-32 as a head coach
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Miles was 2-2 with a team that started off ranked 5th nationally
As you well know preseason rank mean nothing to me.
Although it hurts, the '16 squad had issues with decent teams and really wasn't much better than final rank.


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Topwater Trout
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re: If LSU beats Notre Dame, O will be 32-32 as a head coach
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1. Is Coach O an elite coach?


Nope. Neither was CLM in his first year at LSU or Nick Saban for that matter.

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2. Is Coach O a Top 25 Coach in the country?


For his career no but based on his 2 interim stints and HC record at LSU it could be argued he is.

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3. Do you trust O to win 2 games in a playoff appearance against 2 of the following - Saban, Dabo, Urban, Chryst, Riley, Richt, Malzahn, Franklin, Peterson, Sarkisian? ANd I mean trust him implicitly that he can go head to head with these coaches and outscheme, outplan, and beat them.



I trust him more than I trusted Miles.

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Chryst, Riley, Richt, Malzahn, Franklin, Peterson, Sarkisian?


These are elite coaches in your mind?

My turn...answer these questions

1. Who was your choice to replace Miles...and did they have a better season than Orgeron?
2. Did this team improve in every phase of the game from game one to 12...penalties, offensive line, dline, etc?
3. List the areas we got worse in over the course of the year


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lsu2006
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re: If LSU beats Notre Dame, O will be 32-32 as a head coach
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Miles was fired not for his record, but instead for how he was doing it. Refused to fix issues.

Why do people keep parroting this line? He was fired because we weren't winning at an adequate clip which was caused largely in part by Miles' unwillingness to adapt.


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Space Cowboy
Member since Oct 2016
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re: If LSU beats Notre Dame, O will be 32-32 as a head coach
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Ole Miss went to a Cotton Bowl in the immediate years in front of Orgeron and following Orgeron. They weren't "bottom dwellers". Well, they were when O coached them.





Actually, according to Hugh Freeze and other O assistants there at the same time O was there, who have been saying the following since O was still at USC, the losses that O suffered at Ole Miss were due to O's predecessor who was fired only after one losing season because it was already known by the Ole Miss Athletic administration that he had already miserably failed at recruiting. In fact, poor recruiting was cited as the primary cause for his dismissal.

Nonetheless, while at Ole Miss, O's two recruiting classes, on the other hand, were very outstanding. In fact, his recruiting classes coincide with the time that the book Meat Market was written.

Anyway, according to Freeze and those other assistants, had Ole Miss gave O the final year of his contract instead of pulling the rug out from underneath him, for all intents and purposes, the Ole Miss football team had already been rebuilt. However, O never had an opportunity to prove it because he was fired.

Meanwhile, the proof of it they cite is the fact that Houston Nutt came in and won immediately with the players that O had recruited to Ole Miss. Then subsequently when those players graduated, suddenly Nutt couldn't win with his own recruits.

In fact, Freeze and those other assistants suggest that had Ole Miss not pulled the rug out from underneath O and let him have his final season at Ole Miss as promised, that in all likelihood O would still be the head coach at Ole Miss to this day.

Of course, you will never hear any of this from O because O doesn't believe in excuses.


Goldrush25
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re: If LSU beats Notre Dame, O will be 32-32 as a head coach
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Who was your choice to replace Miles...and did they have a better season than Orgeron?


What the frick does this matter? Was Larry fricking Coker the best coach in the nation from 2001-2003? He had the best record, by far, didn't he?

Fricking ridiculous logic.
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Goldrush25
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Of course, you will never hear any of this from O because O doesn't believe in excuses.


Right, he and Pomansky just send you to make the excuses for him. Sad.


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Topwater Trout
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re: If LSU beats Notre Dame, O will be 32-32 as a head coach
why not answer my questions...I answer the ones I see

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Was Larry fricking Coker the best coach in the nation from 2001-2003? He had the best record, by far, didn't he?


What does having a better year have to do with my question?

But I will answer...how else would you determine who the best coach is? most wins is usually the best indicator right?


Goldrush25
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re: If LSU beats Notre Dame, O will be 32-32 as a head coach
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What does having a better year have to do with my question?


Because you seem to be making an implication that Orgeron's a better choice/coach than Herman/Jimbo or whoever because he had a better record this year.

So employing that same logic why would you not say Larry Coker was the best coach in college football during the Canes run from 2001-2003? He had the best record out of all power 5 conference schools and a NC to boot.

Hell you don't even have to go back that far. What about Mark Helfrich in 2013-14. He lost four games in that span and went to the NC. Was he one of the top coaches then?
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Mo Jeaux
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re: If LSU beats Notre Dame, O will be 32-32 as a head coach
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For his career no but based on his 2 interim stints and HC record at LSU it could be argued he is.




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Topwater Trout
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re: If LSU beats Notre Dame, O will be 32-32 as a head coach
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Orgeron's a better choice


nope not implying that at all

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Orgeron's a better coach


Jimbo just went 5-6 with a preseason top 5 team...has orgeron ever done that? I hardly think LSU fans would be happy with that EVER happening at LSU. I guess now that they will face each other every year that question will eventually be answered.

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So employing that same logic why would you not say Larry Coker was the best coach in college football during the Canes run from 2001-2003? He had the best record out of all power 5 conference schools and a NC to boot.



He was...who was a better coach in cfb during those 3 years to you?


JAB528
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re: If LSU beats Notre Dame, O will be 32-32 as a head coach
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Jimbo just went 5-6


False


Topwater Trout
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re: If LSU beats Notre Dame, O will be 32-32 as a head coach
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False


? please correct me what was his record?


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