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Anaximander
3524 Third St New Orleans, LA
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If Dawkins pleas, Alleva is in God's little acre....
between a rock and a hard place.

LSU and the NCAA will never get any additional tapes or transcripts from the FBI if Dawkins pleads out (Or even if he doesn't). Too many people want this case to go away and go away quickly. So LSU and the NCAA will be left with a read aloud transcript and no additional information outside of an Alleva claim that LSU did an exhaustive investigation and found that the player in question did not get any impermissible benefit.

With no additional evidence we are left with a transcript that can be explained away a lot easier than the folks who felch for Joe Alleva on this site pretend.

What if an offer tilted toward the family meant that his mother was most concerned with Smart getting a full education and Wade promised the best academic support that LSU could provide. You may theorize that he did not mean that but as Alleva claimed that LSU did an exhaustive investigation and found that the player in question did not get any impermissible benefit and there will be no more evidence coming from the FBI or Dawkin's defense counsel you cannot prove it.

What if a better offer for Smart meant how Smart would be used on the court and how Wade could alter his gameplan to better highlight Smart to advertise his services for the NBA? You may theorize that he did not mean that but as Alleva claimed that LSU did an exhaustive investigation and found that the player in question did not get any impermissible benefit and there will be no more evidence coming from the FBI or Dawkin's defense counsel you cannot prove it.

What if the reference toward rookie minimum meant highlighting Smart's skills so that his first NBA contract would not be at the rookie minimum as he was simply a two or three year guy and not a one and done? You may theorize that he did not mean that but as Alleva claimed that LSU did an exhaustive investigation and found that the player in question did not get any impermissible benefit and there will be no more evidence coming from the FBI or Dawkin's defense counsel you cannot prove it.

The deal was not with Dawkins as well and the true middleman is not likely to want to admit he violated the law so there will no evidence to back up what may or may not be the truth.

What Alleva will be left with if Dawkins pleas out is to pay Wade a huge severance or keep him and be the weakest AD in the NCAA after being shown up by his BB coach. I do not think either benefits LSU athletics in the long run and they will have to show Alleva the door.
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madddoggydawg
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re: If Dawkins pleas, Alleva is in God's little acre....
It sounds like you have convinced yourself.


Anaximander
3524 Third St New Orleans, LA
Member since Jun 2018
750 posts

re: If Dawkins pleas, Alleva is in God's little acre....
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It sounds like you have convinced yourself.


Convinced myself of what? That if one watches our American legal system they will see how often actual guilt or innocence seems to be irrelevant?

That Alleva has a history of jumping the gun when dealing with coaches?

That there seems to be a disconnect between claiming Wade did something wrong and then claiming they did an EXHAUSTIVE MULTISTATE investigation on Smart and found there were no impermissible benefits given?

I am fairly certain what Wade almost certainly meant on the transcript. But it is a transcript with no context.
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arcalades
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re: If Dawkins pleas, Alleva is in God's little acre....
What if the FBI hands over everything to the NCAA?
What if the FBI hands over nothing and judicial watch files FOIA?
What if LSU fires Wade for failing to attend meetings with his bosses?
What if bama offers Wade a deal he can't refuse?
what if UCLA offers Wade a deal he can't refuse?

No way on this planet Alleva is ever between a rock and a hard place. He has enough cover from what's already public. There's also the fact that he's just a puppet and it's really Alexander, compliance dept, and legal making all the decisions.


Philippines4LSU
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Member since May 2018
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re: If Dawkins pleas, Alleva is in God's little acre....
Alleva has done a lifetime's worth of damage to LSU.

Why he is being allowed to burn down the athletic department during the remainder of his lame duck tenure speaks to the ineptitude of FKA and the disdain for LSU held by JBE and JW.
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Anaximander
3524 Third St New Orleans, LA
Member since Jun 2018
750 posts

re: If Dawkins pleas, Alleva is in God's little acre....
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What if the FBI hands over everything to the NCAA?
What if the FBI hands over nothing and judicial watch files FOIA?
What if LSU fires Wade for failing to attend meetings with his bosses?
What if bama offers Wade a deal he can't refuse?
what if UCLA offers Wade a deal he can't refuse?

No way on this planet Alleva is ever between a rock and a hard place. He has enough cover from what's already public. There's also the fact that he's just a puppet and it's really Alexander, compliance dept, and legal making all the decisions.




As to the third one, the magnificently ignorant seem to think employment contracts are written in Moses' blood and are somehow sacrosanct. Courts regularly rule against employers enforcement of contract language when there are mitigating circumstances...such as pending testimony where competent defense counsel has advised a client to keep silent.

As to the first two, If Dawkins pleads the first becomes less likely and the second is just silly. In any event, all the FBI needed to do to deny the FOIA is to claim an unnamed informant or state the investigation is ongoing. In either event the FOIA would be delayed for so many years it would be useless in dealing with Wade.

As to the last two, Bama has a coach and UCLA is about to have one.
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BayouBengal99
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re: If Dawkins pleas, Alleva is in God's little acre....
It’s just as likely that this is the truth as it is the illegal version. That’s why I just don’t get the flame toward Wade and LSU from the national media. The only explanation is that they wanted attention averted away from the actual scandal that is the entire NCAA. You can see that when the powerful are attacked they minimize you at any cost. It’s a sickening ordeal. We may never likely know the full extent of the cheating because these power players don’t want it to and can’t have it come out.


DhanTigers212
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re: If Dawkins pleas, Alleva is in God's little acre....
Alleva needs to go but I’m telling you the real problem is F King.


madddoggydawg
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Member since Jun 2013
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re: If Dawkins pleas, Alleva is in God's little acre....
Will got popped. It’s not very complex.


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Erin Go Bragh
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re: If Dawkins pleas, Alleva is in God's little acre....
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What if the FBI hands over everything to the NCAA?

The FBI has no obligation to turn over evidence acquired during a criminal investigation to a private enterprise. Wade's attorneys would have a better than 50/50 chance of having such evidence tossed. But I doubt if it ever comes to that.

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What if the FBI hands over nothing and judicial watch files FOIA?

Judicial Watch does God's work. This isn't God's work.



Anaximander
3524 Third St New Orleans, LA
Member since Jun 2018
750 posts

re: If Dawkins pleas, Alleva is in God's little acre....
In any event, the third of three exclusions of the FOIA when dealing with an investigative agency is an ongoing investigation. The FBI can take years to wrap up an investigation even when they are not planning any more arrests. Any information received from them would be too late to offer any enlightenment or enhancement as to the current imbroglio.


Lonnie4LSU
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Member since Aug 2008
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re: If Dawkins pleas, Alleva is in God's little acre....
“you have convinced yourself”

Most criminal cases never go trial. The prosecution and defense come to some agreement and that’s normally right before the trial date.

So, thinking that Will might never have to give sworn testimony is not some over the hill take.


Anaximander
3524 Third St New Orleans, LA
Member since Jun 2018
750 posts

re: If Dawkins pleas, Alleva is in God's little acre....
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Most criminal cases never go trial. The prosecution and defense come to some agreement and that’s normally right before the trial date.

So, thinking that Will might never have to give sworn testimony is not some over the hill take.




And this case has the potential to be bad PR wide for the FBI if they keep turning over rocks. First, folks might wonder why they are spending millions of dollars and thousands of manhours on a case where it is really hard to find a "victim". Second, less and less folks will be cheering with each additional school that goes down if they keep overturning rocks.

They will start to turn down the volume on this case if there is a plea bargain and it will sit, unclosed, for years. All one has to do is look at some of the schools that could be uncovered and think of the political capital they possess.


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madddoggydawg
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Member since Jun 2013
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re: If Dawkins pleas, Alleva is in God's little acre....
IP wrote 1,000 words and tried to sneak in the only relevant info in the middle:
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With no additional evidence we are left with a transcript that can be explained away


It can’t be explained away WTF it’s a damn confession on tape.


Philippines4LSU
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Member since May 2018
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re: If Dawkins pleas, Alleva is in God's little acre....
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It can’t be explained away WTF it’s a damn confession on tape

You want so badly for this to be true.

It just eats away at you knowing that it's only a confession in your delusional imagination

Pathetic.


Anaximander
3524 Third St New Orleans, LA
Member since Jun 2018
750 posts

re: If Dawkins pleas, Alleva is in God's little acre....
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It can’t be explained away WTF it’s a damn confession on tape.
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madddoggydawg


What was confessed to on what tape? Do you, LSU or the NCAA have this tape? Do you understand a civil court will NOT be able to get possession of FBI evidence if the investigation to which that evidence belongs in ongoing or involved a confidential informant?

There is what you THINK happened (And you may be right or even likely right) and there is what can be proven to have happen under current circumstance. In the case of LSU and the NCAA they have no power to get ANY additional information on Wade at this point. In LSU's case they point to Wade's innocence when Alleva claimed that LSU did an exhaustive investigation and found that the player in question did not get any impermissible benefit. Under the theory that Wade ACTUALLY did something wrong one would have to believe that after wanting something improper that was offered by LSU they just decided to not take it. Not that is illogical.

More illogical is this. If Wade were the type to have done something in violation of the rules do you thing he would suddenly come clean under current circumstances or take a tact to explain away the partial transcipt in a way it cannot be disproven.
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Lester Earl
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re: If Dawkins pleas, Alleva is in God's little acre....
Dawkins plea means nothing for Wade lol


NC_Tigah
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re: If Dawkins pleas, Alleva is in God's little acre....
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Alleva needs to go but I’m telling you the real problem is F King.

Indeed!


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Anaximander
3524 Third St New Orleans, LA
Member since Jun 2018
750 posts

re: If Dawkins pleas, Alleva is in God's little acre....
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Dawkins plea means nothing for Wade lol

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Lester Earl


You are truly more ignorant that someone who thinks Louisiana politicians are honest if you believe that.

By the way, what did Joe Alleva have for dinner last night?


Lester Earl
Chicago Cubs Fan
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re: If Dawkins pleas, Alleva is in God's little acre....
The only link Wade has to the case the is relative to his dealings with LSU is his "inability" to talk. He will still have to explain himself. Dawkins taking a plea means zero


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