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re: I don't understand a 12 Million Dollar Buyout
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:10 am to Tigerbait357
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:10 am to Tigerbait357
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Wasn't the entire point of this was to see if this works and to have an extremely short leash.
You can't expect him to recruit when that could be used against him.
If he isn't worth a standard contract then the standard contract isn't the problem, it's the original decision to begin with.
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Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:11 am to 1999
I think they'll make a 30 for 30 one day about how this whole scam was orchestrated.
"What if I told you, the worst coach in the SEC got a $12.5m buyout?"
"What if I told you, the worst coach in the SEC got a $12.5m buyout?"
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:13 am to Tigerbait357
How can O have a 12 Million buyout? Shite, hire me and you can buy me out for only a couple of million.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:13 am to Tigerbait357
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12 Million Dollars... For a coach not wanted by anyone else.
Can anyone rationalize this?
no. were we not all upset that Les had a huge buyout and we would have to endure him for longer than most wanted? Are we going down this road again with a guy who is unproven?
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:13 am to Goldrush25
not so fast my friend....Terrebonne is 3-0. Maybe send him home to South Lafourche
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:14 am to EST
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If O doesn't work out both he and Alleva should be fired together.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:16 am to jeff70121
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How can O have a 12 Million buyout? Shite, hire me and you can buy me out for only a couple of million.
AND....you would not require a 5 year contract right? you would do a 2 year deal? 3 max?
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:17 am to Tigerbait357
Don't for one minute think that Coach O doesn't have other coaching options on the plate.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:18 am to Tigerbait357
With that contract O is almost better off losing every single game and forcing us to fire him year 1. THATS incentive to win football games!!!!!!!
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:18 am to Tigerbait357
quote:
Wasn't the entire point of this was to see if this works and to have an extremely short leash.
right and if it does not work out which it appears is possibly happening we cut bait and go fishing for real this time. But then again with alleva here that may be futile.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:19 am to c on z
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LSU already looked cheap with the way they handled the coaching search.
Maybe, but the reality was and is that Jimbo Fisher was never coming to Baton Rouge....he used LSU as bargaining chip and no way was FSU going to look at trying to replace a guy who won them a National Championship.
I know the man love for Herman on this board, but he had a tendancy to not have his team ready for lesser teams....sure he could get his team ready for OU and even FSU, but he would then have his arse handed to him by SMU. Plus he kept pushing the goal post further and further in the negotiations.
Another truth and this came from a friend who is an assistant coach at a Big 12 school. No head coach in the country wanted to touch LSU after what the higher ups did to Miles last year.....It was bad form, you don't fire a guy like Les Miles after twelve yeas by canning him after 4 games. It did not inspire confidence from potential candidates. He told me of at least 3 candidates that were approached who told LSU , "No Thanks"
This post was edited on 9/18/17 at 10:21 am
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:20 am to Tigerbait357
I posted this in another thread but it applies here too:
You're all missing the point of the high buyout. The buyout is not for Ed Orgeron, it's for Joe Alleva. He knows that his job is tied to the success of Orgeron. The last thing Alleva can afford is for Orgeron to be fired early, because if O goes, Joe goes. He needs him to have all the time he can get to be successful enough to justify retaining him. Alleva couldn't take the (likely) chance that there would be early trouble with Orgeron's coaching career at LSU and therefore pressure to fire him. The buyout takes that off the table for at minimum two years. That gives Orgeron time to cobble together a team good enough to win 7-8 games each year which ultimately buys Alleva time. Make no mistake about it, this was purely a self-preservation move by Alleva and actually makes sense in that light.
You're all missing the point of the high buyout. The buyout is not for Ed Orgeron, it's for Joe Alleva. He knows that his job is tied to the success of Orgeron. The last thing Alleva can afford is for Orgeron to be fired early, because if O goes, Joe goes. He needs him to have all the time he can get to be successful enough to justify retaining him. Alleva couldn't take the (likely) chance that there would be early trouble with Orgeron's coaching career at LSU and therefore pressure to fire him. The buyout takes that off the table for at minimum two years. That gives Orgeron time to cobble together a team good enough to win 7-8 games each year which ultimately buys Alleva time. Make no mistake about it, this was purely a self-preservation move by Alleva and actually makes sense in that light.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:20 am to Tigerbait357
Joe Alleva is a frick face son of a bitch. That's your explanation.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:21 am to Tigerbait357
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Can anyone rationalize this?
If you do a search, I am sure you will find threads where this was debated more than once. You need to ask our spacecowboy, Manking, and redtigerrule guys who all had brain farts and defended it, Alleva, and everything about O. Anyone not having there head stuck up their arse in denial knew this hire and the buyout was BS and the work of weak minded fools.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:22 am to KiwiHead
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Another truth and this came from a friend who is an assistant coach at a Big 12 school. No head coach in the country wanted to touch LSU after what the higher ups did to Miles last year.....It was bad form, you don't fire a guy like Les Miles after twelve yeas by canning him after 4 games. It did not inspire confidence from potential candidates. He told me of at least 3 candidates that were approached who told LSU , "No Thanks"
Who were these candidates?
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:23 am to EST
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A 12 million dollar buyout is inexcusable. Who is responsible for that?
Every single person who had to approve of the contract before it could be signed. I am assuming Alleva, F King and BOSs.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:23 am to GeauxBayouBengals
That actually makes some sense also, but I'm not convinced Alleva would be in serious trouble if Orgeron tanks. Alexander is no Emmert, I think he's okay as long as the money is coming in and Alleva doesn't preside over scandal.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:23 am to Tigerbait357
quote:It's simple really. Those making the decisions do not react like the users of this message board. They knew they would not fire the guy in year 1 no matter what.
Can anyone rationalize this?
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:23 am to Y.A. Tittle
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What was O's bargaining chip to get that?
I'm told he makes a killer pot of seafood gumbo.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 10:24 am to KiwiHead
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Another truth and this came from a friend who is an assistant coach at a Big 12 school. No head coach in the country wanted to touch LSU after what the higher ups did to Miles last year.....It was bad form, you don't fire a guy like Les Miles after twelve yeas by canning him after 4 games. It did not inspire confidence from potential candidates. He told me of at least 3 candidates that were approached who told LSU , "No Thanks"
Another Alleva screw-up by not letting Miles go at the end of 2015
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