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re: How Would You Manage Our Wealth of RB's?
Posted on 3/4/12 at 4:40 am to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 3/4/12 at 4:40 am to Rickdaddy4188
Hilliard, Ford
Blue (3rd down back)
Ware, 4th quarter back (for ex check out Marion Barber when he was behind Julius Jones)
Magee (change of pace)
Redshirt Hill and I would keep Magee out as long as possible unless needed.
Blue (3rd down back)
Ware, 4th quarter back (for ex check out Marion Barber when he was behind Julius Jones)
Magee (change of pace)
Redshirt Hill and I would keep Magee out as long as possible unless needed.
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Posted on 3/4/12 at 5:42 am to Datbayoubengal
Magee isn't really a change of pace back since he is the same mold as the other backs. The biggest change-of-pace would be Ford with his outside running ability. I don't think any of the other backs could beat the OLB around the corner like Ford.
This post was edited on 3/4/12 at 5:43 am
Posted on 3/4/12 at 6:18 am to coldhotwings
Blue to WR
None of the RB's will redshirt
None of the RB's will redshirt
Posted on 3/4/12 at 7:14 am to TheDoc
There is only one way to manage these guys properly IMO.
I'm pretty sure this is how Wilson and Miles do it anyway...
It is very rare that a college team will amass this much talent at RB. You grade these guys on everything they do. Workouts, running, practice, and grades. Whoever has the best week will probably earn the most PT. And so on.
I'm pretty sure this is how Wilson and Miles do it anyway...
It is very rare that a college team will amass this much talent at RB. You grade these guys on everything they do. Workouts, running, practice, and grades. Whoever has the best week will probably earn the most PT. And so on.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 7:20 am to BigEdLSU
let spring be like the olympics and let the best rise to the top (Blue, Hillard), let Ford and Ware move on after this season. Redshirt Hill and Magee.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 7:22 am to boxcar willie
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Redshirt Hill and Magee.
Not happening
Posted on 3/4/12 at 7:23 am to TheDoc
I have great hope for Magee. Hope to see him more so I can evaluae him better.
Blue... I never liked the scholarship use when we signed him. I have said that here before. But turns out he is a pretty good running back and I was wrong about his ability. I have said that a few times as well. But unless he turns out to be a great WR it might just be that I was right for the wrong reason. Good enough to play RB but I don't think he is the makes the top 3 simply because we are freaking more loaded than ever.
Ware. Lets see how he does. If he returns and plays like he did at the beginning of last season he is in the top 3 for sure. If he plays like he did at the end of the season then I wouldn't even give him mop up duty because others would be better that are not in the top three.
Hilliard. In the top three.
Ford in the top three.
Hill, possible redshirt just because we are freaking loaded. But if he is as good as the highschool hype he might play despite the awesome RB situation!
So I would quickly find a top three and stick with them except when up by 20. Anyone talented enough to move to LB or WR and start gets that offer. Wouldn't force any of them to move.
Hope to see Blue crack the lineup at WR but only if he is really good. With Shep, JL and OBJ in the line up not sure he would start.
Blue... I never liked the scholarship use when we signed him. I have said that here before. But turns out he is a pretty good running back and I was wrong about his ability. I have said that a few times as well. But unless he turns out to be a great WR it might just be that I was right for the wrong reason. Good enough to play RB but I don't think he is the makes the top 3 simply because we are freaking more loaded than ever.
Ware. Lets see how he does. If he returns and plays like he did at the beginning of last season he is in the top 3 for sure. If he plays like he did at the end of the season then I wouldn't even give him mop up duty because others would be better that are not in the top three.
Hilliard. In the top three.
Ford in the top three.
Hill, possible redshirt just because we are freaking loaded. But if he is as good as the highschool hype he might play despite the awesome RB situation!
So I would quickly find a top three and stick with them except when up by 20. Anyone talented enough to move to LB or WR and start gets that offer. Wouldn't force any of them to move.
Hope to see Blue crack the lineup at WR but only if he is really good. With Shep, JL and OBJ in the line up not sure he would start.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 7:54 am to omegaman66
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Ford in the top three.
Top three in running ability. He's still got some work to do in pass blocking. I've seen the QB get lit up a few times with him in the backfield. Once he gets that down, it's gonna be hard to get him off the field.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 7:56 am to AlwysATgr
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There is a real logjam of talent there. Ideally (?), you would want to maximize each's productivity and minimize any wasted elgibility, e.g., Terrence Magee's playing time last year.
Use Ware & Hilliard as the FB in a traditional I-Formation. Flex the FB out as a 2nd TE or H-Back Hybrid. Then run your power formations like 2011 with the tackles covered to define the running lanes as we did last year.
This gives an added dimension because you can throw to these backs on circles or wheels, and play action off this look makes the run and pass plays in this personnel group more effective.
In the huddle, a DC is going to sub out with a run-heavy personnel package. Motioning the FB out of the backfield that has legitimate pass catching potential means that a run-stopping group is now spread out and forced to cover more of the field and can take Mike's and Weakside backers completely out of run support and leave a TE to the play side for run game or flood route concept advantages.
It also keeps your backs in the flow of the game without necessarily getting them touches.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:01 am to GFunk
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Flex the FB out as a 2nd TE or H-Back Hybrid.
I'm hoping to see this happen with Travis Dickson. His squat 6'3" 240 pound build is perfect for that position. He will be the same size as his brother by the time he's a senior. Richard got converted to H-back in the NFL I believe.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:07 am to coldhotwings
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Ford in the top three.
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Top three in running ability. He's still got some work to do in pass blocking. I've seen the QB get lit up a few times with him in the backfield. Once he gets that down, it's gonna be hard to get him off the field.
I agree 100% with that. I thought that Ford improved the second half of the season when he stopped deciding to go down at contact before contact was even made.
But that is running ability and blocking matters big time. I just have confidence that his blocking will be good enough but I don't expect him to reach wares blocking skills.
But you know it is funny. I would have thought his lack of a power runing game would have been the hardest thing to fix. Typically you either have it or you don't.
Blocking is easier to fix but wow he sure improved last year on the power running side of the equation.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:08 am to omegaman66
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Blue... I never liked the scholarship use when we signed him. I have said that here before. But turns out he is a pretty good running back and I was wrong about his ability.
He was the type of players Ole Miss used to kill us with in the past.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:10 am to coldhotwings
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I'm hoping to see this happen with Travis Dickson. His squat 6'3" 240 pound build is perfect for that position. He will be the same size as his brother by the time he's a senior. Richard got converted to H-back in the NFL I believe.
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coldhotwings
Utilizing the 2 back sets like I'm talking about would include only 1 tight end. The way we'd feature the 2 backs makes the play calling more versatile and more multiple while utilizing more tailbacks without actually getting them carries.
Which is the point of the thread
BTW-before you denigrate Ford's blitz recognition and pickup, go look at the last drive of the 1st half at home against Northwestern State. Also look at the UO game.
Against NSU, he (Ware) got Lee lit up, hurt (thankfully not seriously) and we shut him down and played Mett in the 2nd half as a result of Ware's poor execution.
Ware's skills in pass blocking are woefully inadequate.
This post was edited on 3/4/12 at 8:18 am
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:19 am to GFunk
I kind of feel like ware may be our last rb.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:34 am to GFunk
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Against NSU, he (Ware) got Lee lit up, hurt (thankfully not seriously) and we shut him down and played Mett in the 2nd half as a result of Ware's poor execution.
Our O-line owned Oregon's D-line so I wasn't paying too much attention to the RB's blocking during that game. Same could be said about NSU but I am pretty sure the staff planned on giving Mett the entire second half. Same would've been done with Western Kentucky had Jefferson not been reinstated.
Hilliard is 5'11" and Ware may be closer to 5'10". I normally see H-backs starting at 6'1". If a pure runningback was going to play some H-back, Hill would fit the role perfectly at 6'2" 230 assuming he can catch and block.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:38 am to BigEdLSU
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I kind of feel like ware may be our last rb.
Ware looked amazing in the Cotton Bowl and was very effective up until Kentucky when he tweaked his hammy. He wasn't the same after that. Without a healthy hamstring, Ware couldn't do what Ware does best which is push a pile of defenders backwards.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:48 am to BigEdLSU
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I kind of feel like ware may be our last rb.
Hell be used. Hell be a junior Bruiser back.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 9:08 am to coldhotwings
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coldhotwings
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Our O-line owned Oregon's D-line so I wasn't paying too much attention to the RB's blocking during that game. Same could be said about NSU but I am pretty sure the staff planned on giving Mett the entire second half. Same would've been done with Western Kentucky had Jefferson not been reinstated.
Mett was set to be given the 4th quarter. They shut down Lee early. He had one shaky start under his belt and was going on the road on a short week on national TV to play a conference opponent. The plan was to get him as many reps as possible.
But the point of my initial response-as well as this one-isn't to discuss PT or reps. It's to point out that a comparison of who did better in backfield pressure recognition and blocking execution between Ware & Ford is easy to make.
Ford was much better and he was relied upon more and more as the year progressed. Ware did not improve from an already mentioned poor start.
This thread however brings up great ways that you can utilize Ware in the run and the pass game without necessarily giving him carries as well as using other backs simultaneously. Which is a great way to manage our wealth of RB's.
Which is a great answer to the question in the title of the OP in this thread's subject.
:geauxtigers:Posted on 3/4/12 at 10:16 am to TheDoc
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Not happening
the question was 'how would YOU manage the RB's'? Not, how is Miles going to manage the runningbacks.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 10:22 am to Tiger Nation 84
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Make Blue a WR and let him shine with Mett!! He has good break away speed, I guess it all depends on his route running and catching ability but I think he might be a gem for us.
This. Worked well for Josh Reed back in the day.
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